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3 months ago I traded in my Audi A6 Avant for my first Jaguar. A 2013 XF 2.2 Sportbrake Portfolio.
My late father had a Jaguar and it felt like a nice parallel.

I’d fallen in love with its looks online before I’d even seen it. It’s in silver with the black leather with cream inserts. It’s fully loaded with extras. Low mileage, a no brainer.

The test drive was a bit tense due to Covid. I prefer a solitary test drive but they didn’t entertain that option. So it was masks on and windows down with a salesman yapping on about Covid.

My research prior to my visit had found reviews saying that the 2.2 engine is noisy/rattly/underpowered. I was hoping these were purists and that I wouldn’t notice. My A6 was a 2.7 V6 so I was wary of a smaller engine. However, the Audi was only getting 30mpg average at best so I was attracted to the 52mpg of the 2.2 XF. Plus, on paper the XF was as quick.

As I drove off I was disappointed. The engine was indeed noisy at low speed and I was very aware of the gear changes. Having the windows open naturally made it worse. It had nothing like the grunt of the A6.
It was a short test drive and after we had parked the salesman said “So what do you think”?
I was brave and explained my concerns. I also mentioned that being located in a rural area with low speed limits it was difficult to really test it.

He suggested another test drive, with him at the wheel. Off we went...
Basically he drove like Stirling. I thought I was going to die, but to be fair it was impressive. I pretended not to notice 16.2 mpg on the display..
Dilemma. I absolutely loved everything else. The handling was good. It looked amazing. It was SO comfortable. So yeah I bought it.

Since then. I still love it really. It feels nice to be in. The general experience is great.
The mpg was/is a right let down. Initially really poor but getting better and I can get 40mpg if I drive like a nun.
I just don’t understand how Jaguar got the engine and gearbox wrong?
I’ve seen chats on here about delay and lack of power when pulling away. It’s fine from stationary but does delay if crawling and then accelerating.
The engine literally sounds like a transit van. Why?
The 8 speed gearbox is obsessed with getting to 8th. I feel every gear change. I can’t remember the last auto I had that did that?
If I drive it in paddle shift, it’s very quick and a totally different ballgame! I do like using paddles but only when I fancy a bit of fun, not all the time.
Sport mode is also quick but it’s jolty and rather crude.

So there we go. I guess I should have got the 3.0 S..? My family and friends think I’m nuts and glaze over if I bore them with it. If I’d walked away and bought a 3 litre I’d be getting 25mpg and kicking myself?
I just looked out onto the drive and it looks gorgeous. I love it.

So, sorry to drone on. You guys get this stuff. I’m wondering about remapping?
I’d be so grateful for any advice on that.
I’ve already had great help on here regarding a headlamp washer query which was so much appreciated.

Thanks.
James, Suffolk. UK.
 

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Hi James, don't know much about 2.2 but a garage did a gearbox oil and filter change on my XF 2.7 prior to me buying it. The gearbox was terrible when it came back. The garage had it for a week and couldn't resolve the jerky gear change.
After my brother complained to them, who was the owner at the time, the garage agreed to let Jaguar have a look at it.
It now has the fantastic gear changes that it previously had, so maybe it needs setting up.
Like you say most autos don't do what yours is exhibiting, including ones I've driven.
The delay when pulling away sometimes appears to be a Jag trait. Something to do with holding 2nd gear until at a stanstill.(y)
 

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Hi James, don't know much about 2.2 but a garage did a gearbox oil and filter change on my XF 2.7 prior to me buying it. The gearbox was terrible when it came back. The garage had it for a week and couldn't resolve the jerky gear change.
After my brother complained to them, who was the owner at the time, the garage agreed to let Jaguar have a look at it.
It now has the fantastic gear changes that it previously had, so maybe it needs setting up.
Like you say most autos don't do what yours is exhibiting, including ones I've driven.
The delay when pulling away sometimes appears to be a Jag trait. Something to do with holding 2nd gear until at a stanstill.(y)
Thanks for your swift reply Bob.
That’s interesting, it does sound like a software tweak could help then.
Yes it does appear to select 2nd to pull away and then be in 5th within seconds.
Thanks again!

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you would be nicely surprised with easily getting 40mpg on 3.0ds - had it on 2012 model, until I've sold it the week before. down to 31 when really pushing it. i mean REALLY.

zf geabox is heavenly matched with v6 3.0 engines, not so much with 4 pots i hear. I've always used paddles, any automatic in auto mode is 'wrong' for me ;)
 

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It does sound like a problem with the gear box. The box in our 2.2 doesnt shift up that quickly. At the moment we feel there coudl be an issue dropping down gears, but i think its because its not warmed up properly. When slowing down it can jump down into 1st a bit prematurely and you feel the engine braking a lot. with regards to MPG, this is probably linked to your gearbox issue. Today for example, did a 12 mile roudn trip with mix of town sub 30 speeds, dual carriage way speeds of 70 +- a few mph ;) and averaged just above 40mpg. If I absolultely gun it with fast acceleration and higher speedsthen it drops to about 30. If i drive like a nun then i get above 50mpg.
I am with you on the sound though, the 2.2 are not quiet engines. I am gutted i didnt hold out for the 3.0 V6, but to be honest its quiet enough when cruising around and taking it easy.
 

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It does sound like a problem with the gear box. The box in our 2.2 doesnt shift up that quickly. At the moment we feel there coudl be an issue dropping down gears, but i think its because its not warmed up properly. When slowing down it can jump down into 1st a bit prematurely and you feel the engine braking a lot. with regards to MPG, this is probably linked to your gearbox issue. Today for example, did a 12 mile roudn trip with mix of town sub 30 speeds, dual carriage way speeds of 70 +- a few mph ;) and averaged just above 40mpg. If I absolultely gun it with fast acceleration and higher speedsthen it drops to about 30. If i drive like a nun then i get above 50mpg.
I am with you on the sound though, the 2.2 are not quiet engines. I am gutted i didnt hold out for the 3.0 V6, but to be honest its quiet enough when cruising around and taking it easy.
Hi TheKilt
Thanks for that mate.
it seems to have improved over the last few weeks? Maybe it’s that magical thing I read about that cars adapt to your driving style?
I’ve also now done 2 tanks of Redex so maybe that’s done something?
It’s still a bit weird though. I can be on a motorway and it sounds like it’s in 3rd or whatever and then I realise I’m doing 90.
disclaimer: I immediately and safely reduce to 70 mph max and stay there...

I guess I’m also getting used to it.

I get the experience you describe with down changing but only in sport mode. It sounds like a learner driver shoving a Ford fiesta into 1st.

I can only dream of your mpg stats. I drove in town today for 15 minutes and got an average of 18.1. I drove 40 miles on a motorway yesterday with cruise set at 70 and it just reached 40.2 as I hit the exit slip road.

I’m not sure what to do really. I’m secretly looking on Autotrader for a nice 3.0 S but I’ve not found the spec I like, plus I’d have to agree to all sorts of stuff like watching Love Island to get that agreed.

I’m thinking a remap is the way forward 🤔

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I get the experience you describe with down changing but only in sport mode. It sounds like a learner driver shoving a Ford fiesta into 1st.

I can only dream of your mpg stats. I drove in town today for 15 minutes and got an average of 18.1. I drove 40 miles on a motorway yesterday with cruise set at 70 and it just reached 40.2 as I hit the exit slip road.

I’m not sure what to do really. I’m secretly looking on Autotrader for a nice 3.0 S but I’ve not found the spec I like, plus I’d have to agree to all sorts of stuff like watching Love Island to get that agreed.

I’m thinking a remap is the way forward 🤔

Cheers
Sport mode its even worse, but when i took it out yesteray it did improve in D after about 20 minutes (just as i was parking at the destination!)

To be honest i wouldnt waste money with a remap on the 2.2, you may get some performance and MPG gains but i think you have an underlying issue with your mpg you should investigate first. Otherwise just go for the 3.0 V6. i am keeping my eye on them, as i also want a better spec (upgraded sound, memory seats etc). It still bugs me though how my old volvos dating back to 2005 had seat memory function on the keys, and yet Jaguar are still using buttons on the doors. Really annoys me.
 

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I had a 2.2 and never got the published mpg. Driving short rural journeys most days I averaged around 37mpg. I'd say your figure of 18mpg around town is disapointing, but the 40mpg on the motorway is not too surprising based on my own experience. Yes, both figures look to be on the low side, but for the miles you travelled (particularly only driving for 15 mins in town traffic) you may be doing ok. What I'd suggest is doing your test again (driving really conservatively) over the course of a full fuel tank to get a more representative mpg. Also, I read once that using cruise control is no guarantee of the best mpg and that humans can do a better job If they put their minds to it.
I now drive a 3.0 XJ which is better mpg than the 2.2 XF, go figure! With regards to engine noise, the 3.0 on tickover doesn't run like a Rolls Royce, you can hear engine noise in the cabin and feel vibration. So don't set you expectation too high if you swap to a 3.0. On the other hand, once you start moving it's like a completely different engine, quiet and refined.

This all seems to indicate that the 2.2 is a poor engine, but that's not the case. Yes it lacks a little refinement and the mpg could be better, but considering the size of car it drags around, it does a pretty good job. I owned my 2.2 for 7ish years and look back on the experince with much fondness. I'd be very interested to hear what your figures are like with a remap, but as mentioned above, I'd also like to see some figures over greater mileages too.

I've no experience with remaps, but I did watch some YouTubes recently and the shop they took it too was Viezu, they may be worth putting on your shortlist.
 

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2.2 does seem poor mpg. I recently completed a journey from York to Norfolk. Combination of traffic jams, motorway and dual carriageway. I had a 48mpg average. And usually can see 50 plus on a motorway. Pretty good me thinks..🙂
 

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Sport mode its even worse, but when i took it out yesteray it did improve in D after about 20 minutes (just as i was parking at the destination!)

To be honest i wouldnt waste money with a remap on the 2.2, you may get some performance and MPG gains but i think you have an underlying issue with your mpg you should investigate first. Otherwise just go for the 3.0 V6. i am keeping my eye on them, as i also want a better spec (upgraded sound, memory seats etc). It still bugs me though how my old volvos dating back to 2005 had seat memory function on the keys, and yet Jaguar are still using buttons on the doors. Really annoys me.
Thanks. I’m guessing that’s a job for Jaguar rather than an independent?
Yes there are always things we miss from other cars I guess. However I do love the cooled seats on the XF. They’ve been useful this week. 👍
 

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Thanks. I’m guessing that’s a job for Jaguar rather than an independent?
Yes there are always things we miss from other cars I guess. However I do love the cooled seats on the XF. They’ve been useful this week. 👍
jag independent specialist with good reputation will do actually a better job in my opinion.
 

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I had a 2.2 and never got the published mpg. Driving short rural journeys most days I averaged around 37mpg. I'd say your figure of 18mpg around town is disapointing, but the 40mpg on the motorway is not too surprising based on my own experience. Yes, both figures look to be on the low side, but for the miles you travelled (particularly only driving for 15 mins in town traffic) you may be doing ok. What I'd suggest is doing your test again (driving really conservatively) over the course of a full fuel tank to get a more representative mpg. Also, I read once that using cruise control is no guarantee of the best mpg and that humans can do a better job If they put their minds to it.
I now drive a 3.0 XJ which is better mpg than the 2.2 XF, go figure! With regards to engine noise, the 3.0 on tickover doesn't run like a Rolls Royce, you can hear engine noise in the cabin and feel vibration. So don't set you expectation too high if you swap to a 3.0. On the other hand, once you start moving it's like a completely different engine, quiet and refined.

This all seems to indicate that the 2.2 is a poor engine, but that's not the case. Yes it lacks a little refinement and the mpg could be better, but considering the size of car it drags around, it does a pretty good job. I owned my 2.2 for 7ish years and look back on the experince with much fondness. I'd be very interested to hear what your figures are like with a remap, but as mentioned above, I'd also like to see some figures over greater mileages too.

I've no experience with remaps, but I did watch some YouTubes recently and the shop they took it too was Viezu, they may be worth putting on your shortlist.
Many thanks for this.
I’ll try the conservative full tank test 👍 and yes I need to remember that’s it’s dragging around a hefty beast. Another reason to get an engine more capable maybe? I love the colour combo on my 2.2 so I’d be sorry to change it. If I end up remapping I’ll update with the results. Thanks for the link 👍
 

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As its a ford engine, as long as the garage has decent diagnostic checking equipment and is highly recommende i would waste money with a Independant specialist. I was gobsmacked by a local independant specialist who was almost as much as the dealer for a service. Not worth it to be honest as its not a jaguar engine.
 

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As its a ford engine, as long as the garage has decent diagnostic checking equipment and is highly recommende i would waste money with a Independant specialist. I was gobsmacked by a local independant specialist who was almost as much as the dealer for a service. Not worth it to be honest as its not a jaguar engine.
sorry to hear about your experience, but mine is usually 50% cheaper than stealers
 

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As its a ford engine, as long as the garage has decent diagnostic checking equipment and is highly recommende i would waste money with a Independant specialist. I was gobsmacked by a local independant specialist who was almost as much as the dealer for a service. Not worth it to be honest as its not a jaguar engine.
Thanks, yes good point!
I try to forget that’s it’s a Ford engine after a few (jealous?) acquaintances said “oh you’ve got a Mondeo” etc..
 

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If i had the V6, or the lovely V8 or if it was a lot newer i may consider Dealer. It may be a lot of ford under pinnings, but Jag did a lot better job of the styling both interior and exterior, and the handling is sublime. Our previous Volvo's were basically ford underneath, but they were a lot better built. You can tell by just taking the things apart even the bolts were better quality. And like Jaguar, Volvo did a better job of styling. Shame they didnt drive as nice.
 
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