'Less certain is the survival of the 4.4-litre V8-powered M550i xDrive, which arrived in the UK in 2020 – after two years on sale elsewhere – to occupy the gap between the 540i and top-rung M5. Its twin-turbo N63 petrol engine dates back to the first-generation X6, launched in 2008. This will make the unit 15 years old when the Mk8 5 Series arrives, so it will not be a strong candidate for expensive modifications to be made compliant with new Euro 7 emissions regulations.'
All-new E-Class rival will field combustion, plug-in hybrid and EV versions from 2023
- erm, quite.
So, why is JLR - according to the media still - putting this very engine in a 2022 vehicle, the 'New' Range Rover, just a year earlier(never mind the year or more later 'New' RRSport SVR, also supposedly with this engine), with life-end in as little as 2 years, 3 at most, with the intro of Euro 7 in 2025, with most/all manufacturers typically readying their cars a year at least ahead of 'Euro x' deadline changes?
They're not, are they.
Or rather, they were, up until the new BMW CEO, Zipse, took over two years ago, and pulled the plug on the gentleman's aggreement between former BMW CEO Krueger and Speth, for the BMW V8, made sometime in 2016, codenamed 'Project Jennifer'.
This engine is effectively dead. BMW's knows it - see above, not practical to bother making it Euro 7 - so why is the UK/US/'global' media thinking they know better, differerently to the people who own it, make it?
Could it be they have to keep up this pretence - Big Lie - as otherwise the up to £200k or more 'New' Range Rover will have to rely on a 25 year+ old engine, with max. power of 500hp, given latest emission restrictions, guzzle gasoline at the rate of 10 mpg(US) or more, and very likely be immediately banned by the Pedo Regime's EPA's new edict on Green Bollox of around 250g/km CO2.
JLR's only hope - outside of UK(London), due to the Con Charge banning of PHEV - is the PHEV version of the 'New' Range Rover, with no doubt some ridiculous 50 miles or more range - certified by Shapps' co-frausters at the DfT - and 'official' CO2 of 50g/km or less.
An appalling car to drive, with its 4-pot Ingenium, with real ~220hp, and real-world EV range ~20 miles, with its new 'big' battery, hauling a car weighing almost 3 tonnes unladen, and selling for ~$150k.
The Tata people in Bombay must know this is all insane. CAGW again/4 degrees global temp. rise is the new No.1 thing to frighten/exterminate the plebs, pivotting from the 'Deadly Virus'. The higher ups at Tata must see this, know this, from the circles they move in. They must know JLR, without a BEV for at least 3 years, is dead in the water, scrap metal value at best.
Are they paralysed, petrified, literally unable to move, act? Each week just brings JLR closer to inevitable, unavoidable end, or rather End.
Couldn't Speth's JLR just have done similar with the 1989-2016 Duffender, spending around £100m, to make it pedestrian regs. compliant etc:
- ah, that would have meant spending real money, their(Tata's) own, and doing some real engineering - new instrument panel, etc, when it was much cheaper to take a 2012 Full-fat - 2003 XJ - and make 57 Varieties off it, one of which was the 2017 Disco5, which of course became the 2019 'Icon', except with the spare wheel on the back, not underneath, and hence a shorter rear overhang.
Whatever about the aesthetic, but does the pedestrain regs. job, of the 1970s US-spec MGM bumper thing, this picture should by right on its won be enough to crash the share price of Tata Motors, and Tata group(Sons) to zero - all dog nutters will adore the Grenadier:
The 'Icon'(/Disco5/RRSport/Full-fat) actually has quite a cramped roof, for a 2 metre high car, and of course shallow windows, or no windows, where that wart thing on the side is used to hide the Disco5's C/D pillar.
People who have an easy £50k, more likely £100k, to spend on a toy, SUV, 4x4, will go gag-ga over a car that will pamper their thousands of £s pooch.
Grendier is not only a threat to the '4x4' Icon, but also to £100k, and more, Full-fat-'ers'.
You just know aftermarketers will glitz up this thing, like Overfinch did 40 years, and draw the private buyer Full-fat-er to it - shotgun cabinet, picnic hampers, extendable boot seat, etc.
JLR's PR contractir, Haymarket, still doesn't know, apparently, if JLR is getting, has got, BMW's V8:
'Today's JLR-developed 5.0-litre V8 is expected to bow out to make way for a BMW-derived 4.4-litre twin-turbo unit, which paves the way for the top-rung Range Rover to match the 616bhp and 552lb ft outputs of the X5 M Competition, which uses this engine.'
Land Rover's 542bhp supercharged V8 luxury SUV gets the SV Bespoke treatment
'is expected' - 'Bob, run down to Aldi's and buy a BMW V8 from their Specials middle aisle'.
There is no BMW V8, Jennifer, as shown by the 'New', 2022 RRSport SVR being passed like it was standing still by a BMW X5 M - see vid above in this thread.
Autocar/Haymarket/the 'global media'/JLR can't come out and say what's been absolutely known for 2 years, that the BMW engine thing is off, dead, as that would destroy what hope, sale/IPO prospect there was for JLR - selling ~£130k tarted up ancient rubbish - see the 'Ultimate' SVR thing - against the likes of the Cayenne, Urus, X5 M of course, etc, that leave it for dead, with 700hp engines.
The 'Ultimate' is aimed at footballers' wives - see the colour - Cheshire and Surrey.
If 'JLR' is to become the company it needs to be to survive, max. 50k/yr, selling £150k+ '1 percent' cars, it'll need to do a lot better than 'new lettering', and big black wheels.
Footballers are generally thick, but most of the 0.1/0.01%, that JLR needs to aim at in the new 'ZiL' business, aren't, and won't fall for tarted up ancient crap.
A Gamechanger, the Second Coming, Tesla's nightmare one minute, half-price 'bargain' the next - from hype/lies to reality:
150-200 miles real range, UK's (non-)charging network, JLR's (non-)warranty honouring, a bodged 2016 F-Pace sold to gullible fools - who could possibly have foreseen this fall from grace/unravelling of a mighty fraud in less 3 years?
Meant to say that as the I-Pace gets to the stage of being an embarrassment - the mad aunty in the attic that no one speaks about - for JLR and the Media, I see the Audi T'urd more and more - what happened to that guy who prophesied the huge success of the Gamechanger, and the joke that was the E-tron? - amazingly even, perhaps more, of the Sportback version - which costs £££s more than the standard E-tron.
Probably rich retriees blowing this and last year's big foreign holiday on a treat-car, whilst being Green and virtue signalling, plus they think their house(s) are going up at the rate of £££s a week.
Plenty of Taycans, too, of course. but it's the recent number of E-trons that is surprising - almost commonplace now.
But how long can this last? Watched a Taycan go by, side on, yesterday,.and it struck me just how big, long especially, this car is, the driver, with his window down, lost inside it - 5 metres/~16.5 feet.
The E-tron, Sportback especially, looks almost dinky by comparison - a whopping 4/5 shorters shorter.
Simply massive, OTT, overkill cars.
The next move, for the non-0.1/0.01%, is the opposite - tiny city cars, or better still, everyone - who's not 'Zil', on electric scooters, or bikes.
This is the heyday, blowout of cars like the Taycan, 2.5 t+ E-tron, for the 'masses' - the true 1% - decent high earners, or BTL/'property development' merchants, who are not insiders.
Enjoy it while it lasts. While the 'elites' are telling the plebs that they'll have to eat insects, instead of meat, and pay £tens of thousands for a heat pump instead of a £500 cost-price gas-burner water heater, i.e. to make them keel over in their millions from pneumonia, you just know they won't permit these plebs, even the 1%, to be driving around in these amazing cars.
This week our man takes a second stab at Jaguar's electric crossover, and celebrates the future of Vauxhall's heritage fleet
- eh? 3 years ago certainly, and indeed for all of 2019, and a good part of last year, the I-Pace was officially dubbed, by the 'global' media, "The Gamechanger", and the most awarded thing ever, with a rubber-stamped by officialdom - so it must have been true - er, gamechanging 300 miles range, plus 'premium' quality, and off-road ability, combined with sporting pedigree, to make Tesla's Musk pull his hair out in fright - if he had any.
And I'm sure Cropley, being the creep of creeps, JLR's official proctologist, said the I-Pace was "orgasmic". So what happened? Did Steve have a bump on the head, or get jabbed several times by a mystery experimental substance in the interim, that causes prions to grow out of control in his brain, and cause this amnesia, this breathtaking chutzpah?
Or is he just a *, * of *?
Everyone but Cropley knows the game is up on the I-Pace. Bollore and this Comical Ali clown seem the last two not to have got the memo, realised the joke - that the I-Pace is a joke - and now an embarrassment, the lunatic relative locked away, the family's dark secret.
Old, senile? Cropley probably thinks the same type of gusys that come to wire up the fuse box/consumer unit in his barn conversion are the same magicking extra miles out of the Gamechanger:
'But Jaguar’s electricians... '
- yep, those sparky boys can turn their hands to almost anything.
Jesus, what a clown. The f'er must have pots of shekels, but must be the type that dreads retirement - he must be past it - as his world will collapse - 'I was somebody, a top journo, writing for the oldest, most prestigious motoring journal in the world...' '...yes, Steve, that's nice, now take your medicine, and stop dribbling. Countdown is on soon'.
The younger hacks at Haymarket must dread the clown, loathe him for making the rag a laughing-stock.
Or... , maybe Steve has been sacked, paid off, told to do one, finally, and the notorious 'Chewy' hired in his stead - this sounds like the garbage that paid shill clown used to spew 2/3 years ago on ipaceforums.co.uk - his run from the Forest of Dean to the WBA FC Hawthorns ground, 4 up, gear/clutter, in winter, at motorway speed, 70 mph, on the M5, there and back, on one charge - 'easy':
'I repeatedly established that 275 miles is easy and that you can squeeze out 292 in current weather conditions.'
- 'Chewy''s calling card was 'easy', remember. Or maybe... , Cropley was a JLR 'guerilla marketer', JLR PR contractor Haymarket (paid) shill at ipaceforums, and is 'Chewy'.
Of course! Cropley was, is 'Chewy'. Busted, you fat clown.
So that just leaves 'Jaguar' shorn of its two key/historical/landmark/cornerstone products - a large saloon and a sports car.
No wonder Cropley is again pushing the bodged 2016 F-Pace - sorry, 'Gamechanger'.
As, with the XJ/Jaguar large saloon no more, and the 'sports' car about to be shown for what it is - 16 years old(2005 XK), with a huge high bonnet line, due to its bastardised saloon roots(2003 XJ), a large, tall, with compressor on top, engine sitting above, not behind the front axle, not as in classic front mid-engined sport cars, 'Jaguar' now consists, is expected to limp along, for 4 years!, like the limbs-lopped knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail, with just the 'mighty' Gamechanger, selling real less than 5,000/yr globally, and, ...that's about it.
No one buys the XE/XF, anyway, the E-Pace is and always was since launch a joke - if you are a retard, and want to blow £50-60k+ on a 2006 Freelander, with the world's worst engine, you get the 'McCoy', the Evoque, and the F-Pace the same - headbangers will buy a Velar, or RRSport for around £15k more, than a typical £60k F-Pace, with the awful Ingenium.
'Jaguar' was about sport cars, and then sporting cars, XK120 and E-type, the Mk2 and 1968 XJ.
Without them, those types, it's nothing. Kidding on a bodged 2016 F-Pace, which itself is a bodged 2012 Full-fat, is going to save, and then sustain 'Jaguar' for this fallow 4 year period, is an obvious deceit, a lie, a fraud, and a mockery of 'Jaguar'.
The only thing I'll say about the calamitous, collapsed UK car production figure for July - 'worst since 1950s' etc - is, let's just see how bad the fall is in van production, by contrast, comparison.
Will this mysterious 'chip shortage' affect nearly as badly things that are in actual demand? - all those Amazon, courier, grocery delivery, white van man working on every second house, etc, etc.
I don't think so.
Chip Shortage, the Plandemic, Pingdemic, and Brexit, are being used, especially in the UK, to cover the real collapse of demand, especially for cars paid by real money.
Anecdote alert: a guy I know is drving around in a new Golf R(Mk 8) for £300/month lease, ~£400/month with the initial deposit, over 3 years, 10k miles allowance.
That's insane - brand new model, being pushed out like a bog standard motor on runout, probably not even a cost.
Other than high-end EVs, there's no real buying.
Some people are making out like bandits letting out property in Cornwall, the Lakes and so on, charging typical British usurious prices - f'ers will burn in hell - but that's at most a fraction of 1% of the population. They can't drive 2 million or plus new car sales a year.
The UK 'economy' is a lie, fake, popped, if it ever existed, since 'the Free Market' of 40 years ago.
Take away ponzi, ever-increasing house prices, and everything collapses - because that is, and only is, the UK 'economy'.
The Guardian and other regime rags - they all are - have gone quiet on this since a month or so, as the last heroin-high of the Stamp Duty thing has worn off, and now the 'free market' needs another injection of £billions of taxpayer money - to support the directors of Persimmon etc - all donors to the regime of course.
The most bankrupt, corrupt country in the world, has NO economy.
The excuses, cover stories, lies, are wheeled out one after another, - Brexit, then the Scamdemic, then Brexit again, then 'Chips', them Pingdemic, next, Alien Invasion?
Who knows, who cares. The Scum always have a lie, covery story for the cretinous plebs. But the real world can't be held at bay forever - see JLR, 'Cuddly Boris', 'Booming Britain', £1m for a 2-up, 2-down London hovel, etc.
(next to no)New car sales are just showing how phony all this is, and has been in the UK since houses became the 'Economy' 40 years ago.
The British subsidiary, part of the $123 billion Indian conglomerate, Tata Group, has lagged its European peers in launching electric vehicles.While the chip
- so in the space of a couple of years, it's gone from Tata's, India's most prized thing, which 'will never be for sold', to the absolute global laggard - miles off the peleton, never mind the tete de la course, like VAG and Daimler - in the crucial EV matter.
That was quick.
One minute the Faberge of the car world, 'Range Rover' the most valuable brand in all of history, awards galore, serial WCotYs etc, being touted as knocking Tesla off its perch with 'The Gamechanger', etc, etc, to 'let's dump this sheet anchor(JLR), before it drags us all to the bottom'.
Even Tata is doing more in EV than JLR - which wouldn't be difficult, given that JLR is doing the square root of zero.
On the the Indians, it has finally dawned that 'JLR' is a huge liability, not a huge asset - they're slow, but they eventually got there.
They must know that with JLR being unable to compete in EV, its only hope is the outlined by me, over and over, 5-10 years max, £150k+ Range Rover/SVO thing, at 50k/yr units max, 'going forward'.
They know this will cause ructions, if not a revolution, in Blighty, where the massively dumbed down inmates, sorry royal subjects, believe they have a world-beater.
They know the regime, whether Spaffer's mob, or the next set of puppets, cannot sanction this.
So they're stuck, and the realisation of the real value of JLR to Tata has dawned ' - Holy F**k!'.
The money men in Bombay want JLR gone - put down, just get rid of it somehow, anyhow.
It's coming to a head - Bollore's perhaps - figuratively speaking, ...mais bien sur.
Exports of commercial vehicles increased by 16.2%, while domestic demand saw a slight decline of -3.4%.
- no mysterious 'Chip Shortage'/Brexit/Pandemic/Pingdemic/Dog Ate My Homework for vans - as I said would be the case.
These clowns know that 99% of Brits swallow any old pony in the media.
A child could have seen this.
There's no real demand for cars; only vans are selling - End of Story.
The UK 'economy' is not just broken, it doesn't exist.
Take away the serfs' need to go to the office, the supermarket, or ~5x a year transfers to the airport, and there is no need to travel in the UK. The roads are full of white vans.
The public sector - the only real, decent paying jobs with security left in the UK - LOVE working from home, ordering groceries, everything online. They believe, completely, the Virus, and are scared stiff of going out, mixing with people.
Those Transits, Vivaros, Sprinters etc must be totally different to cars, right? which would explain why they're not affected. Bosch and co. must do special van/commercials' ECUs etc.
That's the fairytale the media, academic experts like the go-to gob Prof David Bailey, will tell anyone with a brain left who puzzles over this nonsense fed to them.
Jesus, what a sh!t country. The people are no better than animals in the field, not a thought going through their heads, except the next meal ordered by app from UberEats etc.
Land Rover’s re-imagined 21st century Defender has notched up more than 50 awards all over the world since its launch last year. The brand has also picked up a couple of less impressive achievements in that time, though.
- 13.9 l/100 km(20 mpg imp.) - compared to 10 l/100km 'official' - from a friendly Oz rag - for a '90' - so real-world UK, tootling back and forward to Waitrose/the GP/the chemist/optician's - only the infirm, insane and short-sighted would consider a £70k 2-door 4-pot 'Icon' - will be 15-20 mpg
- supposed almost 300hp and 300 lb.ft 'launches' this thing to 100 km/h in 7.1s - 'pretty quick' - tallies with around 240hp and similar torque
- is this thing a tipover candidate? is the Pope a catholic? - 2 metres tall, high centre of mass, especially when loaded, with stuff on the roof etc, and very short wheelbase - Cropley blogging from the care home in 3 years time - 'everyone knew it had this problem from launch, but JLR's crack electricians have now worked their magic' - 'The 90’s shorter wheelbase means it feels more precarious in corners than the 110'
- 'The brakes are very grabby at low speed' - it's called "character", mate - which only JLR/the Brits can do - another totally undeveloped 'new' JLR product - a cut and shut 2017 Disco5
No wonder even Clarkson could not shower his usual praise on a JLR, basically saying the same car, with the back seats taken out and metal on the sides, was a joke - a massively overpriced joke.
- precisely what was envisaged, planned for, with the appointment of Monsieur 'One Job' Bollox a year ago to the day - 'get JLR IPO'd, for minimum £50bn'.
Bollox failed, as 2021, and from then on, meant: EV = licence to print money - name any ridiculous sum for a flotation, SPAC etc - no EV = dead in the water.
JLR is no EV. Even the thickest analyst, whether in Bombay, NYC or The City, or potential investors like the Saudis, realised this year that JLR is the least EV car compnay on the planet.
It has no EVs, and its own plans, 'Reimagine', state it will still have none until 2024 - at the earliest.
How the hell, given the current EV-mania/Zero Carbon/Virtue Signalling by the 1% environment, is, or rather was, anyone sane going to chuck £50bn, or more, at a company whose only moneyspinner is 57 Varieties of the same 2.5-3 tonnes ~12 mpg real-world V8 SUV?
No wonder Bollore has disappeared.
Rivian basically has one vehicle, but crucially with a battery, and commands $80bn - before the printing trillions by central banks bubble bursts.
Jesus, that must hurt in Bombay.
JLR is worth nothing - even with all that money being printed by the banks.
Its only way to have some value, and a future for 5 years, maybe a bit longer, is to slim down to the Range Rover/SVO thing - 50k/yr max. units.
The UK establishment won't allow that - would blow the whistle on the whole 'booming UK economy' thing - 'our world-beater is bust and laying off 25,000 workers? WTF!' - the averge shocked pleb.
It would bring down not just Spaffer, Krazy Kwarteng, Conservative MP Julian Knight for Solihull, most of The Tory Red Wall etc, but the whole rotten UK 'elite' - regime. It would be the fall of the Soviet Union, Ceausescu etc - the majority of plebs finally realising they've been lied to by the state, media and 'top people', for years, decades, and their 'economies' and countries are basketcases, and people are going to starve and freeze to death.
Tata is stuck with a worthless asset - its 'jewel in the crown'.
Bollore is AWOL - Antibes, St Tropez, his Brittany holiday home etc - not because it's August, and the French disappear - but because he's superfluous, entirely unneeded, as his one job, his only job, of the last year, he's failed to do.
He wasn't brought in to 'run' JLR, but to slash and burn at the start, announce some Grande Plan, and then triumphally announce the stock market flotation - and his 'job' would then have been at an end.
He may as well never come back, show his baleful face ever again - take the £10m annual salary and run.
JLR is Fooked. Leaderless, rudderless, and prospectless.
Electric bicycle sales have been increasing around the world for years, with the US seeing particularly drastic year-over-year growth. But never before have we witnessed the kind of colossal growth spawned by the COVID-19 pandemic. And according to industry leaders, there’s no sign of it slowing...
- see Rivian $80bn etc.
And that's why week after week, month after month, year after year, since the complete dud that was the bodged 2016 F-Pace. 'The Gamechanger', there's no been no actual news, nothing to report out of JLR - except the saving covers, diversions, distractions of 'Cheat VAG', Brexit, the Plandemic, Brexit again, Chips, Pingdemic etc.
No actual car company news - because there is no actual car company - because the biggest story in town, since 2015/16 Dieselgate, has been the breakneck rush and huge (real) investments by everyone, but JLR, to get an EV offering - now all coming to fruition - ID, EQ etc - except JLR.
JLR, sans EV, is scap value - if that.
The Solihull site is its - er, Tata's - biggest asset. Even that though will have passed its peak, with the now 'cooling off'/bursting of the latest deliberate, taxpayer-funded housing bubble, post the Stamp Duty thing, and some plebs begiining to realise being jabbed is not about having 'freedom', 'getting back to Normal', so rushing out and adding to their property potofoio, but about depopulation, especially western countries like the UK, so £1m+ properties might not be in such demand - Afghan 'refugees' might not be paying £5,000 /month mortgages for a while - 'going forward'.
So, Tata has missed that boat too - Solihull(site) would have been worth £2-3bn for housing, at the peak.
Halewood is worth tuppence ha'penny. Castle Brom is only of any value if the council buys the site for student/asylum seeker accommodation - i.e. another taxpayer bung to builders.
A Land Rover class action lawsuit alleges defects in the diesel particulate filter (DPF) cause it to become clogged in stop-and-go traffic.
- I doubt the 'authorities' and shysters will screw $30bn+ out of JLR for this - JLR hasn't got $30 anyway.
I thought the problem with JLR and Diesel, besides the Dieselgating Ingenium, just like or worse than VAG, was the front-wheel drive cars, the £50k or more cars that are the 2006 Freelander, where the DPF filter is too far away from the engine to to get to operating temp. quickly, so sooting up and needing constant forced regenerations, but it appears the 'electricians' - as Cropley refers to them - at JLR also managed to F Up the rear-wheel drive cars - the 57 Varieties off the 2012 Full Fat/2003 XJ.
New Jersey can be pretty cold in the winter, colder than JLR-Central London/S.East for sure, hence propably why this 'gem' of a Range Rover was forever clogging its DPF - the electricians only 'engineered' it for -5 to +30 deg. C.
The fact that a 4 year old RRSport is now worth $14k, regardless of the DPF thing, gives the lie to these cars being in massive demand, especially Stateside, and having rock solid, industry best residuals.
A 4 yr old diesel JLR, nearing the end of its warranty - I think 5 years in the US - has, as above shows, next to no value - a Russian Roulette job for the balls of steel/insane buyer.
Only the UK thinks these cars are 'Premium+++', 'Exceptional', where idiots pay half or more of the rrp, after 3, 4, even more years - due to massive, constant, decades-long media brainwashing.
Nejat - the owner - is no eejit. He'll win this case, plus the others, and use the payoff to go and get a proper car - once bitten... .
Alpine-Lotus sports car to be built in Norfolk in 2026; Type 132 SUV, four-door coupé and family crossover in China from 2022
Tiny Lotus, which of course it's not now, with Geely behind it - like saying tiny Bentley, with VAG behind it - is doing more in new product generally, and absolutely in EV, than JLR has done to-date, and will do.
JLR knocks out 'The Icon' in Slovakia, so why not a 'British' Lotus SUV assembled in China?
That SUV is another massive blow to JLR - after things like the Aston DBX, Grenadier, Bronco etc.
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