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They lied:


- JLR and the 'Global' media told thicko cretins for about two years that BMW and JLR were effectively merging, their EV effort 50:50, shared platforms, engine supply, etc, etc, etc, and yet, today, the CEO Zipse announces BMW's new New (electric) Generation, and of course not a word about or reference to some washed up PR outfit in England.

It was all a lie, deceit, fraud - purpose to lure someone like Geely or Apple to buy it, on the strength of this life-saver from Munich.

This, if it had been true, was the day to take the wraps of this 'secret joint venture' - 'the merging of two illustrious, storied, innovative European automotive giants'.

The scum in the media should be handing their notices in en masse, if not being done for misrepresentation, sued by Tata Motors shareholders and JLR bond holders, if not charged with conspiracy to commit fraud.

The scum have no shame, though, and know that UK plod and UK 'Law' only exists for plebs, and not lackey vermin doing the bidding of higher up the foodchain billionaire oligarchs, and the world-leading corrupt UK state regime.

'Reimagine' seems already a 100 weeks ago. How in the hell they're gonna keep this going till the IPO, with blow after blow almost every day now, a monsoon of real product, investments and tech developments by everyone but them, and their US analogue, Tesla, is anyone's guess - I guess a mixture of arrogance/chutzpah, stupidity, and the undying support/cover of the craven 'global' media scum.
 

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We don't make sh!t, except reheated sausage rolls and PR(lying), which we're both world-leading at:

Britain’s secret deal to buy nuclear warheads from US


- 'our'(99.9% foreign-owned) car industry is about to shrivel to the size of a testicle after 20 years of anabolic steroid use - '1 million units+/yr JLR' to become 'SVO-plus'(max. 50k/yr) - and now Spaffer's cabal has handed over likely hundreds of £billions of taxpayer money/mult-generation debts over 25-40 years to the likes of Lockheed Martin, and of course their favourite Chumocracy outfit, Serco:

'AWE plc, responsible for the day-to-day operations of AWE, is owned by a consortium of Jacobs Engineering Group, Lockheed Martin UK and Serco'


Same story everywhere - 1950s/early 60s - genunely world-leading - Calder Hall, Bluestreak, Jags, science - Germany and Japan/Asia knocked out temporarily - and 60 years later, everything sold off, an 'industry' of PR, media and chumocracy in its stead.

Aldermaston used to be feared - warmongers, death merchants - but now they're just another version of Warwick Manufacturing Group, a front for the doling out and channelling of huge amounts of UK taxpayer money to foreign companies/oligarchs, with massive kickbacks to the Cabal writing these cheques - Mayhem, Camoron, Spaffer, Whitehall mandarins, quango heads, etc.

Who the hell would want ot invade the UK? What's the point of a couple of hundred warheads, other than making the owners of Lockheed and Serco even richer?

Why would you want to take ownership of 70 million+ soon to realise they're assetless peasants, with all UK's real wealth tied up in The Square Mile, or offshore in Crown tax havens?
 

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Chaos in the regime of the p!ssed/coked up clown and money-grubbing third-raters like Halfcock, Jenrick and 'Michael Green'/Grant Shapps, transport minister - who could have foreseen that?:


One minute it's 2030 ICE ban, UK leading the world in all things EV, and Zero Carbon, the next it's Squeaky(sunak) urgently trying to tell a blacked out Spaffer - 'disappears' at weekends - that the massive tax revenue from all things cars and motoring in the UK has collapsed, and some way has to be found to claw money back.

First-year VED on new cars has basically gone - next to no real sales of new cars, and those are mainly zero-VED EVs, or mimimal PHEVs.

BiK the same - far fewer company/business cars, and most of those are lowest-rate EVs/PHEVs.

Same also for fuel duty, and VAT on top, real motoring fuel sales collapsed over the last year - and eaten away at by the rapid increase of EVs/PHEVs.

I'd say £30bn in the last 12 months at least has gone, and most of that is not coming back.

The clowns in the regime, ace at PR - talking till the cows come home, and lying without blushing - are not too hot on figures, and doing work, like adding up sums, so someone, belatedly, must have pointed out that the UK 'Economy' runs 90%+ on Housing, and all associated 'industries', and mobility - cars and all associated parasitic taxes.

They know how to fix 'Housing' - the bubble - by stamp duty suspension, and the state bunging trillions at the banks with underwriting Liar Loans - '95% mortgages' - but these Oxbridge PPE First Class geniuses haven't got a clue how to fix something a bit closer to a real economy - making and selling cars - hence the all at sea nature of this panicked, slipped out news today - buried no doubt by their chums in the media with more Scamdemic bollox.

Hawes(SMMT) is right of course. It makes no sense. But then neither does a coked up, p!ssed up clown, who conspired with another Old Etonian to have a journalist beaten up, and is out of his depth in a puddle, but which the media tells the plebs is Our Great Churchillian Leader.
 

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Literally every day, a mortal blow to the hopes/desperation of Tata and the UK regime getting JLR away, in a £50bn IPO to Middle England saps:

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- Merc EQE, finishing up its winter testing in Arjeplog, less than 6 months before its reveal.

Looks splendiferous - much more pleasing than the whale EQS - due to long-wheelbase/short-overhang ratio.

That's precisely the car Jaguar needed - an XF footprint, XJ interior space, in an appealing body form.

If JLR had launched that in 2017, instead of the delayed, and delayed 2016 I-Pace, they would be not only saved now, but duking it out with Porsche for top-dog, current EV status.

But they couldn't, could they, as The Gamechanger was just an EV version of the F-Pace, which was just a shortened, bodged version of the 2012 Full-fat- itself a 2003 XJ platform.

The EQE is ground-up new. It doesn't need a taller crossover/SUV roof to hide the foot thickness of batteries in its floorpan, or fake aero, with a pulled forward windscreen base, and a joke, huge rear roof spoiler.

It just looks right, the first truly appealing EV saloon - Taycan and e-tron GT a little bit contrived, and Tesla Model 3/Y/S all jelly moulds.

VW is current flavour of the month, with the 'top', 'forward-looking' financial analysts, but Kallenius's Daimler is the dark horse on the outside, galloping past everyone - even Hyundai(group), and its excellent new EVs.
 

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Unreported by Autocar(UK/HQ), as it knows this is the end of not just JLR, but parent Tata Motors:


The Tata Harrier(2006 Freelander) is nearly twice the price, is ancient of course, weighs up to half a tonne more, is only available as a diesel - Fiat engine - has similar interior space, although much longer, wider and taller, and has real far inferior crash worthiness - as a 15 year old car would.

The from £10k equivalent Kushaq is a smashing car - as in smashing the dreadful Tata Motors, giver of the Nano to the world, finally into the grave.

It's the right size - not too small, not too cumbersome, not obesely heavy like the Harrier/Safari - the right price, and Skoda(VW) backup.

The parallels with the end of MG Rover, its dealings with Tata, and now the end of Tata/JLR, are uncanny.

The Phoenix Four MG Rover crooks tried to provide a fig leaf of cover for their looting and destroying of MG Rover, by flinging the cinderella car company and workforce the bone of a cheap, hence high volume, hence employment levels, model - the Rover CityRover - the Tata Indica.

What a collapsing/collapsed JLR needed for the last few years, glaringly obviously, to save it, was a huge high-volume model - what the original Freelander(I) was to the *** end of Rover Group, and the Evoque for 3-4 years was to JLR.

A C-segment SUV would have been that car - ~1,500-1,600 kg, ~4.2-4.3 metres length, ~high 20s to max 40 £k.

A rebadged - CityRover to Indica - Kushaq would have been that car.

Licence it for £15k a unit from VAG, tart it up with 'Best 4x4xfar' bollox, plastic mouldings, warpaint etc, from Midget McGovern, and knock it out for twice the price to the Middle England 'Buy British' brigade.

JLR died not because Jaguar collapsed/died, but because Land Rover stopped having any real high volume car.

Yes, it sells some Full-fats and Sports, but that's just 'SVO-Plus' - which is what I said all along JLR would become, was obviously headed to.

To have a decent, real car company, worth arguing, taking about, it, JLR/Land Rover, had to have at least one undisputed high volume car - in the (only) segment that sells massively - 'C'-sized 'SUVs'/crossovers/jacked up FWD hatchbacks - selling for £5-10k more that the hatchback siblings.

Tata thought they would have offloaded, got rid of JLR long ago, hence had no plan to keep it going - its dire, obvious need for a lower price, much higher volume model.

Now it's come back to bite them - not only JLR gone, but the home company, operation about to be obliterated - by the might of VAG.

Why would Chery buy Tata Motors domestic cars, when the Harrier is up against a half the price Kushaq, soon to be followed by the excellent Octavia, the VW Taigun, etc, etc?

Tata is effectively down to just Trucks(and buses).

While its share price screams towards the heavens - or was until very recently - the actual company is worth squat - domestic cars patently worthless, and JLR's IPO around 100:1 against, in terms of success.

The cheeky so and sos tried to sell/offload the domestic cars business to VAG 3-4 years back. Now, VAG is the undertaker for these scummy ex-dope peddlers - the 'criminal dieselgate cheats' burying the real crooks.
 

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...it's Friday, ...it's 5 o'clock-ish, ....it's time for Tata Crackerjack.

Amazing how all the important(disastrous events) happen at Tata on a Friday, late, after the Bombay and European borses have closed, and Wall St has POETS'ed, while all the 'fantastic'(PR announcements) stuff happens at the crack of dawn on Mondays, ready for the trading day, and the ~10% surge in the TTM share price.

Must be just coincidence.

I wonder if the Skoda Kushaq(plus VW Taigun etc), Chery or anyone else never going to buy Tata Motors domestic cars, Bollore's disastrous, fooling no one but Middle England headbangers Reimagine, and above all, the receeding by the minute prospect of the JLR IPO ever happening, had anything to do with Mr Listeria-Salmonella pulling out, at the last minute? D'ya think?

Tata Motors Says Marc Llistosella Won’t Join as CEO


- bombshell. Disastrous for Tata/Tata Motors/JLR - and the UK regime - now looking 99.9999% nailed on to have The JLR Problem - MG Rover 2005 collapse x ~50 - land in its lap, in as little as a month.

'“This creates some uncertainty about who will come in and whether the succession will be announced in time or not,” said Deepak Jasani, head of retail research at HDFC Securities Ltd.'

- you don't say. Deepkak is probably on £500k equivalent, and so has amazing insight like this, which not even the one-eyed dog in the street could have guessed.

It's chaos at Bombay HQ, and JLR HQ - the Gang of Four.

The 'strategy' - of Plan #1,382, how to get rid of JLR - has already failed - whatever the ridiculous, Tesla-shaming, criminal ramp in the Tata Motors share price.

Mr Botulism must have been out of his tiny mind to have ever considered taking the 'job' - it doesn't/didn't exist - the Tata clan want Tata domestic cars gone too - leaving Trucks and Buses to be picked up by someone like Daimler(Bharat-Benz) or Man-Scania.

Anyone wiith a brain would have spotted from what was going on from a 1,000 yards.

Bolllore took the JLR job because he was not going to get another high-ranking job in France, and the likely £10m/yr or so was too much to resist, PLUS, the massive lure of the minimum £50m, ~1%, for getting the IPO away.

Now the clown looks high and dry. He probably ordered those couple of 'New' Range Rover test vehicles - probably 2+ years old - out of Gaydon for the 'spy shot' pictures this week.

The media 'luckily' blanked out the reg. plates, so that we couldn't see how old they were - '69' probably.

The 'New Range Rover' is all Bollore has now, and he fully realises it.

It's all falling apart. There's no way they can pull off the JLR IPO.

Spaffer will be hitting the bottle right about now - blacking out in a few hours.

What a sh!tshow of a country. Its last, anyway sizeable manufacturing concern - up to ~250,000 jobs in total - effectively over, and the media are relaying faithfully, like retarded five year olds, stories of 'JLR 'tech' nuking the 'Rona Virus', or bombing Russia/China/Iran.

At least in 2005, with the end of MG Rover, there was some coverage, and for PR purposes, the 'dash' by Brown/Bliar to the West Midlands.

Everyone's gone f'ing insane. The whole country is insane.
 

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just for information:

JLR is now using 'K' registration for its cars.

This started a couple of months ago, possibly start of the year.

It was of course already using in/famously 'O', and to a much smaller extent, 'V'.

'O' was the ruse to not make all its self-registrations, 'sales', too obvious, using the tenuous link of Gaydon to nearby Banbury(Oxfordshire), and 'V' was probably associated with Eastnor Castle - 'Engineering' cars.

But 'K' is definitely new, and I believe being used to replace/dilute the somewhat busted 'O' thing - quite a few lay people have twigged what JLR was up to - with its month after month, year after year, 'record' UK 'sales', over the last 4-5 years - hundreds of thousands of fake 'O'-plate 'sales'.

I don't know why they've chosen 'K' - usually associated with Milton Kenyes, or nowheresville central England.

Maybe they can use, as a ruse, Special Vehicle Operations/JLR Classic, at Ryton-on-Dunsmore, technically in Warwickshire, but just a few miles from the Northamptonshire border, and so 'K'.

That's all I can see.

Whatever. Its main purpose is to replace/reduce the 'blown' 'O' prefix thing - now pretty solidly associated with JLR fakery/fraud.
 

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just for information:

JLR is now using 'K' registration for its cars.

This started a couple of months ago, possibly start of the year.

It was of course already using in/famously 'O', and to a much smaller extent, 'V'.

'O' was the ruse to not make all its self-registrations, 'sales', too obvious, using the tenuous link of Gaydon to nearby Banbury(Oxfordshire), and 'V' was probably associated with Eastnor Castle - 'Engineering' cars.

But 'K' is definitely new, and I believe being used to replace/dilute the somewhat busted 'O' thing - quite a few lay people have twigged what JLR was up to - with its month after month, year after year, 'record' UK 'sales', over the last 4-5 years - hundreds of thousands of fake 'O'-plate 'sales'.

I don't know why they've chosen 'K' - usually associated with Milton Kenyes, or nowheresville central England.

Maybe they can use, as a ruse, Special Vehicle Operations/JLR Classic, at Ryton-on-Dunsmore, technically in Warwickshire, but just a few miles from the Northamptonshire border, and so 'K'.

That's all I can see.

Whatever. Its main purpose is to replace/reduce the 'blown' 'O' prefix thing - now pretty solidly associated with JLR fakery/fraud.
They can join the VAG brands as their cars are also mostly Milton Keynes as head office is there. The rest of them are usually O registration as the press office registers the cars in Bicester.
 

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'I've a feeling we're not in 2005/6(MG Rover/SAIC) anymore':


From a refrocked Rover 25(1995 Rover 200) - MG3 - to a Tesla and JLR 'leave in the dust-er' in little over a decade.

Everyone is zooming past Tesla&JLR, because PR outfits only have a shelf life of max 5 years - and these two are well into their second decade.

Huge anounts of real money, engineers and engineering, and a purpose, from company to state level, has and is making the Asian once 3rd raters/no-hopers/jokes into potential German and Japanese destroyers - Hyundai(group) and countless Chinese.

The open hatred for China now from the UK and US is that of a school bully who has literally had his nose put of joint. They see their future as 2nd/3rd rate world 'powers', and will not go quietly into the night.

Their posterchildren are finished - Tesla and JLR. East Asia is on the march, and the US-UK alliance of Thuggery responds the only way it knows how - violence - as its countries and people have been run down, completely looted, its brightest and best wasted in Media, Law, and PR - who can lie best.
 

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If not EV, being totally left behind, it's top-level ICE, where a hybridised 4-pot produces more torque, way more - 100-200 Nm in reality - than JLR's 'top' engine - the 25 year old V8:

'Exact figures will be revealed later this year but AMG insiders predict outputs of around 540bhp and 590lb ft[800 Nm]'


- you just know that Merc's official figures will be conservative, and JLR's claimed 700Nm for its 'most powerful' version of its 'iconic' V8 is overstated - by at least 10%.

Charging the best part of £200k, for the 'New Range Rover', in 'top V8 spec', will look odd to even the hardcore patriots, when it's outgunned by a C-Class, costing less than half the price.

That's why JLR, and Speth, desperately needed BMW's V8, 'Project Jennifer', either the once expected all all-new one, or the over decade old current one.

An ~£200k SV Autobiography, LWB, real kerbweight ~2.7 tonnes, loaded weight up to 3.5 tonnes, needs 700-800hp and ~1,000 Nm, like the about to arrive '73' AMG powertrain - hybridised, PHEV V8.

JLR is a decade or more behind in ICE/hybrid. It's now clear its 'lead' in EV is actually a deficit of also around a decade - the 2016 I-Pace looking like an MG Rover '25' against the European/Japnese best in the mid-noughties - utterly hopeless, a decade+ off the pace.
 

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Just five years ago, VW was all but dead - Dieselgate - and Porsche, the crown jewel, mired in Audi's diesels.

On the other hand, JLR, late 2015, early 2016, looked all but unstoppable, yes, held back by the general backlash to diesel, but about to have the F-Pace as World Car of the Year, the 'gamechanger' I-Pace imminent(was then), long (UK) waiting lists for Full-fats and Sports, the 'new' Disco Sport going great guns, and 'New Gen', XE/XF II, apparently a roaring success, etc, etc.

Now, looking at these guys, it looks like the mirror opposite:

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- the bosses of Audi, VAG and Porsche - from the left.

No wonder they're smiling heartily.

Porsche AG is worth, at least, $80bn, as an IPO/partial IPO - Porsche SE keeping a golden share probably.

Diess, the guy in the middle, head honcho, is making no secret of his ambition to crush Swabian Mercedes, as a good Bavarian would/should, and everyone else, in Formula 1.

In other words, they'e on a massive roll, top of the world.

From death/near-death, last rites given, to back where they were pre-2016, plus, in just 5 years - if the Business schools had anything about them, this would be the no.1 case-study, for years/decades to come. But they won't of course - they'll be banging on about 'stunning', 'paradign-changing' Tesla, and 'stunning success' JLR at UK business schools, until long after both have gone officially bust, and supermarkets and housing are up on the former factories.

Again, a huge, epochal story that the Media won't cover - wouldn't dream of covering, as they know they'd be off the gravytrain.
 

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Almost literally five seconds ago it was 'Buy, buy, buy!', 'Tata Motors, unlimited potential to upside', etc, by all the 'top' - bought and paid hometown Indian 'analysts' - and quite a few western ones, the next, after the enough to end most non-state critical enterprises on its own, call in regulators if not the Law, suspend trading etc, 'sudden' about-turn of the latest Tata Motors CEO - he ran away, realising he didn't want to be part of an Enron-dwarfing fraud, and so possible jailtime - late last Friday evening, and the realisation that Tata Motors is NOT about to be bought by Tesla, and everyone BUT JLR is ACTUALLY doing EV - in a huge, and very expensive way - and it's only ging to get worse, by the day, we get this:

Goldman Sachs retains ‘sell’ rating on Tata Motors, raises price target

'The brokerage believes that the 70 percent rise in the company’s share price this year has overshot fundamentals'


- translated - GS calling out the blindingly obvious, orchestrated, criminal ramp in TM share price - since Tata finally failed to sell it, to anyone - PSA, BMW, Apple, Geely, Chery etc - ending 12-18 months ago, and so embarked on 'Plan B' - Plan Desperation - pump the share price to f*ck, buy off all the lackey, conscience-less 'analysts' as cover for this miracle, employ some washed-up French auto exec, put together a five bob Powerpoint presentation, 'Reimagine', and flog JLR in an IPO for ~£50bn to patriot saps.

GS, unlike the local analyst wallahs in Bombay, totally on Tata's payroll, has to give the appearance of objectivity, and integrity.

It knows Tata Motors and JLR are not long for the world, and pretty obviously the investment bank side, of GS, has not been retained by Tata to do the JLR IPO - they would not cut the legs from under TM/JLR, if they were about to make hundreds of £millions, several £billions, as the main bank doing the IPO.

Looks like we're going to need a 'Reimagine II' - the 'all-new' 'stunning', 'icon-reinvented', 'gamechanging', 'world-leading' Reimagine.

I'm not sure old Cropley has it in him any longer to orgasm over two JLR stunning, ground-shaking announcements - Powerpoint slides - within a few months, though. It might finish him off.
 

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Just like JLR/Tata Motors - the worse it gets, the more the Media and 'experts' - 'analysts' and '(h)ac(k)ademics' - tell the utterly brainwashed proles how stunning everything is:

'The more these stocks go down, the more these guys revise the target up.'

As Tesla Yanks "Laughably Bad" Full-Self-Driving Beta, ARK's Wood Sets $3,000 Price Target


Tesla's "Full Self Driving" Beta Is Just Laughably Bad and Potentially Dangerous


Road&Track are dead wrong of course, not about the criminal outfit Tesla and the probably dead loon, green-screened, deep-fake, CGI'ed Musk, but about autonomous driving, as the Gemans, VAG(Audi) for instance, has had Level 3 good to go for several years, and the new S-Class is able to do Level 4. The Japs, Koreans, and Chinese are not far behind.

The problem is not autonomy/self-driving, but a criminal outfit, called Tesla, and the gullibility, stupidity - imbecility - of the modern-day American - like the modern-day Brit.

Only very, very stupid people would have fallen for the whole Tesla thing, like the whole 2008- JLR thing.
 

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The US/UK, City/Wall St, London/NYC/DC scum behind Dieselgate - the deliberate, concerted shakedown/takedown of too successful, huge cash-mountain, thwarted from break up, access to this mountain, by asset stripping vulture capitalists, by Lower Saxony's golden share VAG, and Daimlet to an extent - must never have thought they'd live to see the day that not only are their hated German outfits back to full health, and then some, but one of their main protectorates is now having the same medicine dished to it, by the same unscrupulous, out of control, driven by psychotic greed, shysters - lawyers - that they let loose, by opening Pandora's Box - the 'secret' - that everyone in the industry knew for a decade or more - that high-efficiency, high mpg-high power diesel doesn't work until operating temperature, and/or high/higher ambient temperature, and of course, longer runs, not short runs, where the engine and emission control equipment never heats up:

Jaguar Land Rover faces claims over emissions

'Law firm Leigh Day has announced that they are investigating Jaguar Land Rover over claims that their vehicles have been fitted with emissions cheat devices.'


- BOOM!

- what goes around come around, ...what's good for the goose, is good for the gander, ...Karma's a bitch!

Once you allow/allowed vermin scum like lawyers to have a field day - and utter lowlifes like Vicki Butler-Henderson to front their campaigns all over the internet - probably on a flat fee, and a proportion of the total award for the class action suit - you were playing with dynamite - the explosion might take you out as well as the enemy.

The french say it best - the Anglo scum behind Dieselgate, and their beloved champion, JLR, have been hoisted by their own petard.

And so, the circle is complete - what brought me to this forum back in April 2016 - the German KBA/BMVI report on the Diesel Cheaters - where only poor VW was collared, and all, but BMW, who was literally clean, hid behind the now infamous 'Thermofenster', for why their engines were actually as bad, if not worse, far worse - JLR - than VAG's:

'In 2016, a Jaguar XE 2.0 was found by the German VW Commission Enquiry to be producing nitrogen oxide (NOX) pollution at nine times the threshold value in an on the road test. In the same report, a Range Rover 3.0 produced 11 times the threshold value during on the road testing.'

Er, yeah - nice to know that after FIVE years, one has been vindicated, albeit by lawyer shyster scum - and not UK.gov, who should, if they were not utter scum themselves - Spaffer's frater Jo Johnon was Minister for Transport at the time - have gone after JLR with, at least, the same zeal as they did VW - John Hayes, Tory MP, wanted VW UK managers jailed, remember:

'A White Paper published in 2017 by the International Council on Clean Transportation (‘ICCT’) also found that Land Rover was the worst-performing manufacturer.'

- can't wait for the lovely, fragrant Ms Butler-Henderson to pop up any second now all over the internet:

'Are you an owner of a Jaguar or Land Rover diesel, or did you own one, registered from 2009(Euro 5) to 2018(Euro 6a/b )? You could be eligible for thousands of pounds in compensation. Contact Shyster, Shyster and Flywheel.... '

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha..............................

What a Day.
 

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If this was true, shouldn't this be a huge concern, for obvious reason?:

'It is understood that a £50,000 Land Rover Defender caught fire as its battery was being charged up to put the vehicle out on display.'


- battery charging, something 'mastered' around 100 years ago, suddenly becomes sketchy for JLR?

Don't buy it. Even JLR is not capable of cocking this up.

Even a booster starter/charger is not exactly unproven 'tech'.

How can you go from fast-charging/booster starting a flat 12V battery, to a conflagration, anyway?

The whole point of these booster starters is you don't have to leave the battery charging for hours, so it's very likely it would have been unattended.

And how did the ignition/combustion start anyway? What caught fire/exploded?

If it was the battery, then Varta, Bosch, whoever, would want to know - could lead to a worldwide recall - 'x gazillion batteries recalled for explosion shock'.

Don't think so. Don't think Bosch and co. haven't mastered making 12V lead acid batteries.

Was it the plastic insulation on the battery cables that caught fire?

Why? Too much current? Wouldn't something trip out first? Isn't that the whole point of 100+ years vehicle 'technology' - fuses etc?

What's actually happened is, I'm afraid, an insurance job.

Dick Lovett Group is probably about to go bust/gone bust. Selling 'premium' cars in/to 'Middle England', when all these (once) customers are either working from home, small business, restaurant owners etc, owners gone bust, taken early retirement, or the few rich retirees buying Taycans, has destroyed their business.

Lovett's JLR franchise was already of course gone off a cliff, pre-Scamdemic.

Surely the fire brigade would know that an 'electrical fire', started by the vehicle's electrical system/vehicle's battery, would need chemical suppressant, instead of, or in addition to the use of water, to extinguish it, deal with it safely?

Doesn't add up. If it really was a vehicle burning down/out from just the use of a jump starter/booster, a brand new vehicle, a vehicle that's basically been around for a decade - the Defender is a 2012 Full-fat - that itself would be a huge concern, and a matter surely for the DfT's DVSA, potentially ordering a production stop and safety recall, if not the local authority's Health and Safety, Consumer Protection people, and potentially Plod - selling dangerous products knowingly.

Lovett is the actual burned one here - relying on JLR for the core of its business - gone west and south since 2016 - with the final straw the Scamdemic, plus having to pay the loans on those horrifically expensive Dual Arch 'investments', complete white elephants now, set up for around ten times capacity the number of vehicles being sold - JLR '1 million+/yr by 2018' - sold to greedy fools.
 

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^so what Lovett, and the probably in on it senior fire brigade managers and Plod - funny handshakes etc - want us to believe/swallow is - arson/sabotage/inside-job insurance dismissed/not even considered, is :

  • smack bang in the middle of the day, quite sunny yesterday, good light in late March
  • very start of the week, Monday, everyone bright-eyed and bushy tailed alert
  • no one going out for lunch, to the pub, obviously, so potentially 50+ persons around, even in Lockdown/Furlough - March is their busiest month
  • no one saw a fire, or smelt smoke, even though there would have been up to several dozen, usually quite young, 20s/30s, so good eyesight, sense of smell, and hearing - explosions, crackles from burning etc - persons in each main building - showroom and service bays
  • this Dual Arch, just built, multi, multi-million pound building/buildings appears to have been devoid of a single fire extinguisher, or potentially water sprinklers
  • a large vehicle, full of plastics, rubber, aluminium etc, just caught light, and burned down, so fast that no one thought to get a fire extinguisher and put out the incipient fire/smouldering
  • when the seventh cavalry did arrive - after having made sure the 'incident'/deliberate arson was well and truly ablaze - they, just by coincidence, pumped huge amounts of water - 4 fire brigades, so presumably at least 4 appliances - into the building(s), thereby making it/them an almost inevitable total write-off - carpets wrecked, all IT suspect from water ingress, soft furnishings ruined, etc, and of course, use of water, not localised chemical fire suppressant, or CO2, meant that copious amounts of smoke, fine particle soot and various burnt debris was spread around the total building/buildings, which again ensured that any vehicles in that buiding/buidlings would also have to be written off - you can't sell a 'smoke-damaged' 'sales-special' Full-fat Autobiography for £100k instead of £150k.

Probably looking at an insurance claim, across wrecked, say 10, vehicles, and the building/buildings, of up to £10 million, maybe £20m, if the building(s) has to scrapped and rebuilt.

RESULT.
 

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'Lovett said that no one was injured, but the building had been badly smoke damaged.'

- like I said, RESULT - the white elephant glass palace showroon is u/s, scrap - major insurance payout.

Where's the battery in Full-fats, RRSports, Disco5s, Velars etc - sorry, 'The Icon'?

From the picture, it must be the back - engine bay looks last/least place burned out.

The only three real explanations are:

1. the battery charger started the fire, which then spread to the vehicle - chance ~0.1%
2. the 'Icon' started the fire - somehow - chance ~5%
3. Lovett's started the fire - chance around 94.9%

If it's '2', then it means, should mean, a production stop and safety recall on 'The Icon', and all other same vehicles - every JLR but the FWD Ford/Volvo cars - Evoque, DSport and E-Pace, mandated by the Dft's DVSA.

I think - going out on a limb - that JLR/the UK regime and all its agents, has slightly more muscle that Peter Lovett. If it was '2', it would never come to light, so Lovett may as well get his insurance payout anyway.
 

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I wonder why they'd torch, ...sorry, I wonder why 'a fire starting by chance' would burn down a 4-pot petrol 'Icon', with CO2 of 265g/km, first-year VED of £2,175, top-rate BiK of 37%, rrping at probably well north of £60k with options, that does real-world ~15 mpg pottering around, costs an arm and a leg to fill up, with near £1.30/litre fuel, yet gets overtaken by l-litre Polos, makes a chocolate teapot look like the height of reliableness, has next to zero dealer support or warranty honouring, and depreciates at about a £100 a day?

I can't work it out - neither can the fire investigators or Plod.;)

Vehicle Details

Vehicle make LAND ROVER

Date of first registration March 2021

Year of manufacture 2021

Cylinder capacity 1997 cc

CO₂ emissions 265 g/km

Fuel type PETROL

Euro status EURO 6 DG

Real Driving Emissions (RDE) 1

Export marker No

Vehicle status Taxed

Vehicle colour GREEN
 

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I wonder why they'd torch, ...sorry, I wonder why 'a fire starting by chance' would burn down a 4-pot petrol 'Icon', with CO2 of 265g/km, first-year VED of £2,175, top-rate BiK of 37%, rrping at probably well north of £60k with options, that does real-world ~15 mpg pottering around, costs an arm and a leg to fill up, with near £1.30/litre fuel, yet gets overtaken by l-litre Polos, makes a chocolate teapot look like the height of reliableness, has next to zero dealer support or warranty honouring, and depreciates at about a £100 a day?

I can't work it out - neither can the fire investigators or Plod.;)

Vehicle Details

Vehicle make LAND ROVER

Date of first registration March 2021

Year of manufacture 2021

Cylinder capacity 1997 cc

CO₂ emissions 265 g/km

Fuel type PETROL

Euro status EURO 6 DG

Real Driving Emissions (RDE) 1

Export marker No

Vehicle status Taxed

Vehicle colour GREEN
How can a 2021 Defender with a 4 cylinder 2 litres engine, Euro 6 approved and all emit 265 g CO2/km? That's exactly the same as my 12 year old Euro 4, 4.2 litres V8 XF. Not much progress there.
 

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How can a 2021 Defender with a 4 cylinder 2 litres engine, Euro 6 approved and all emit 265 g CO2/km? That's exactly the same as my 12 year old Euro 4, 4.2 litres V8 XF. Not much progress there.
It's partly accounted for by the change from completely-fake NEDC, to nearer-reality(except JLR/DfT's VCA)WLTP.

265g/km is extremely high, but then no one else but JLR thought to motivate a real-world 2.5-3 tonnes+ operating weight, 2 metre wide and tall brick, huge Cd and frontal area, with a 4-cylinder engine, and the worst of its kind in the world, ever, real 'power' about 175hp, hence the appalling fuel consumption/emissions.

Real CO2 emission, going by the real 15-20 mpg(imp.) consumption, is over 300g/km.

No sane person would buy such a vehicle - no hyperbole - especially one costing typically £60k or more, and which if the insane punter turned immediately around, from picking up his new '21' car, the dealer would offer him £15-20k less than what he paid.

Instead of 'Icon', it should be called 'The Absolute P!ss-taker of Middle England Patriot Headbangers'.
 
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