Huh :!: Now tell me that you did not sneek a peek at it; you have another 21 minutes to wait :lol:penultimateblack said:Thanks, but no thanks, I'll force myself to wait until this week's copy of the Autocar drops is delivered in about 43.25 minutes.
Could the reason be in here somewhere :?:SpiresST said:Having read both this review and Car magazine's it's interesting to note that both suggest the car isn't as fast as Jaguar claim and still not the same as the 535d. Having done 0-60 times I have no idea how Jaguar acheived the 2.7d's time of 7.7s and it seems Autocar had the same problem. They also question the 3.0d s claim of 5.9s. Given the rest of the car is the same it makes a mapped 2.7 seem better value than ever (but then I would say that...)
mickyabel said:Another reason could also be that your car simply isn't run in fully yet.
I had my car remapped by Squires-ST last week and they said that i wouldn't feel the full benefit of the car until at least 8k has been covered, their 2.7d xf was still getting better after they'd gone through the 8k mark.
I drove their XF last friday and to compare both cars isnt' fair as my car has only done 1.5k and theirs had done close to 9k and they were a million miles apart, mine is lovely, theirs was a monster!
Thats a bit of a general statement, and maybe not in all cases; if I had bought the same spec car in a 3.0d that I was going to get on a 58 2.7d, I would be actually paying less than the 2.7 would have cost (even with Jags' 5.9% deals). As it is, im getting an Brand Spanking New 09 3.0d PL with added rear camera and B&W sound sys, all for just over a grande more :!: Ok not a huge difference but Im well happyNeillbro said:I am an avid reader of all things Autocar and was mildly disappointed with their report.
I realise that midrange torque is where it is at but it makes me think that our 2.7's are gonna do just fine after all and the, very expensive, jump to a 3.0 is not worth it after all. Not that I would have considered blowing £12,000 to get myself into a 3.0.
Maybe time for that remap
I must admit that having read both Auto Express and Autocar reviews this morning I was a tad disappointed too, and I agree with zx10ben as my first impression was have they actually driven the car for any distance or at all?zx10ben said:Well, I can only go on what is online at the mo as it'll take at least a couple of weeks for us to get the mags over here, but I think that online review was ****e! Not the car being slated but the review itself was tonk, I didn't really learn anything from it apart from the fact that they think the 0-60 was "optimistic" What was the 0-60 they achieved then? In fact the review was so vague it almost looks like they have written it from details on paper and haven't even driven it!?
Out of interest what was the one in Auto Express like?
I've known about this with regards to motorbike engines, but never realised it applied to car engines as well. Interesting!SpiresST said:Pekem makes a valid point about running in and for this there is a simple piece of advice - rag the nuts off it. Once past 1000 miles just go for it and you'll be amazed how much quicker it gets.
Not sure what we can do yet until the 3.0Ds are with customers and we can look at some. I would suspect that the 3.0D and 3.0D s engines are exactly the same except for the software which means you can by the cheaper model and re-map. Will take a while to find out and then develop something though.zx10ben said:I've known about this with regards to motorbike engines, but never realised it applied to car engines as well. Interesting!SpiresST said:Pekem makes a valid point about running in and for this there is a simple piece of advice - rag the nuts off it. Once past 1000 miles just go for it and you'll be amazed how much quicker it gets.
Well am still in limbo as to what to do, I currently have my 2.7 Lux with almost the same spec as a PL having added most of the packs and extras and was looking at going for the 3S PL. Last time I checked I was looking at an extra 5K to do the jump whereas the normal 3 would just be a smidge over 2. When do you think you'll be able to tune the 3 Spires? Do you think you'll get it close to the S or is the actual engine configuration different?