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Nice looking car, but they don't mention the fuel consumption ;-)
Yep, because it's that bad.

The Range Rover Sport SVR, which is the same car plus about 100 kilos, is 294g/km CO2 and 22 mpg(imp.) by NEDC, which means the F-Pace SVR will be around 330g/km CO2 and 19 mpg/16 mpg(US)/15l/100km by WLTP(+~17%).

That's disastrous, but JLR's real problem is that this car, I believe, is not Euro 6c compliant.

WLTP/Euro 6c requires a much lower level of particulate emission, for petrols too, which requires a filter, like for diesels for years.

BMW have and are still pulling more models out of production due to this.

There's no way in the world JLR have engineered a particulate filter into the F-Pace, whose platform dates back to the 2003 XJ.

Also, it requires changes to the engine itself. The AJ-133 is a decade old. Hardly likely to be easy to make comply.

This is why they have slung the F-Pace SVR out, and avoided mention of mpg and CO2. Why? Because they themselves don't know.

Why? Because the car hasn't been certified, at least to WLTP/Euro 6c/Euro 6d(2020).

It's desperation. Put it on sale, get the critically needed cash up-front, and hope something turns up before actual promised delivery point in 'summer 2018', which of course is just around the corner.

The 'F-Pace SVR' is a classic 'JLR 180' - presented as a huge postive, but actually a huge disaster, just untold by the lickspittle media, who probably don't understand it themselves.

JLR is so reminiscent of MG Rover 2004/5, with shonky stuff like this, the non-certified SVR projectile vomitted out onto the market, just for the desperately needed cash.

MG Rover's excuse was it was a joke outfit from day one anyway, just stringing things out until the directors had filled their pockets, but JLR is presented as a serious business, 'taking it to the Krauts', etc.

The F-Pace SVR(non-certified) will go down as JLR's rear-wheel drive Rover 75 with a Mustang V8 - a window-dressing joke, on the not in the loop workers, whilst the high-ups are no doubt making plans for a swift exit, and hiring briefs who can tell them how to say 'I have no recollection... ' to dopy British MPs, in the ensuing 'lessons must be learned' inevitable inquiry.
 

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Woke up this morning to my app from Netcarshow.com showing the new Jaguar F-Pace SVR with 550 hp V8 engine. Nice looking car, but they don't mention the fuel consumption ;-)

https://www.netcarshow.com/jaguar/2019-f-pace_svr/
- 28th of MARCH 2018.

Almost 8 months later, nothing.

Nothing too from the media, asking where is it, promised for delivery 'summer 2018'?

What happened to the deposit money put down by saps?

The answer to what happened, is as above - the ancient AJ-V8/AJ-133 is a)massively CO2 emitting/fuel guzzling in Euro 6c/d spec, b) in this strangulated form, with a particulate filter bung up its backside, 100-150 hp off the real, understated outputs of the Alfa Stelvio QV and Merc-AMG GLC 63 S competition:

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/mercedes-amg-glc-63-s-sets-new-ring-record/39182

Still, as along as JLR/Tata have the mugs' ~£5m in deposits for this and sister car Velar SVR, eh?
 

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We have movement!

Just spoke to SVO Coventry help desk, a very nice lady tells me the hold up on taking orders for the F Pace SVO is down to tyre testing\supply issues. No specifics but promised they really are going to manufacture it! She suggested retailers may be able to put orders through some time in January, again, nothing specific.
https://www.fpaceforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2920&sid=9ee65464e3b02a8a1110b6fa776c5cc7&start=260

translated: the intern/work experience kid has been told by management to tell the mugs/customers that 'the dog ate my homework'. And:

- 'ring back in the new year', when my six-weeks, taxpayer-paid 'apprenticeship' will be over, and the bosses will either have been sacked for gross incompetence, made redundant, or in jail, awaiting trial for taking money under false pretences, and operating a Ponzi scheme.
 

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No, scratch that! New cock and bull story:

Second quarter of 2019, delay due to emissions and getting it in-line with the rest of the range. It will most probably be less power than originally advertised, but tweaked to improved acceleration and power transference. Apparently it will also be a bit quieter than originally expected.
- is this a £40bn serious car company, or a Nigerian email scam?

Apologies to Nigerian email scammers, associating them with JLR.
 

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'please respond, your money awaiting, just send bank details':

I’ve been on the phone to HQ 3 times in the last week - and I’ve been promised my order will actually be placed by the end of this week (10th Dec).
- these clowns are giving shysterism a bad name.
 

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Someone left with a brain:

If I were a betting type I imagine they are struggling to achieve the required emissions without turning the vehicle into a snail, a very hungry snail at that. As the whole point, in my case, was the performance and "sound" of the SVO if it is to be strangled I could spend my £90k better elsewhere
- what I said aeons ago - the ancient, 22 years old AJ-V8, or 'Premium Unicorn Powertrain' (PUP) that JLR may call it, is so old, and so out of the ark off the pace, against stuff like Merc's/VAG's 4-litre V8s, BMW's 500hp I6, FCA/Ferrari's 500hp V6, that even JLR can't swing this one by its lickspittle media partners, and get them to salute, and say how stunning it is against the also-ran competition - a lie too far for even JLR's reptile media mates.
 

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- what I said aeons ago - the ancient, 22 years old AJ-V8, or 'Premium Unicorn Powertrain' (PUP) that JLR may call it, is so old, and so out of the ark off the pace, against stuff like Merc's/VAG's 4-litre V8s, BMW's 500hp I6, FCA/Ferrari's 500hp V6, that even JLR can't swing this one by its lickspittle media partners, and get them to salute, and say how stunning it is against the also-ran competition - a lie too far for even JLR's reptile media mates.
I just got an online Jaguar Magazine from Jaguar UK called "THE JAGUAR issue 4 / 2018". It has an article about the F-Pace SVR. It says:

"OFFICIAL EU FUEL CONSUMPTION FIGURES FOR THE F-PACE SVR in l/100km (mpg): 11.7; CO2 emissions g/km: 272.
For comparison purposes only. Real world figures may differ."




I assume the "(mpg)" is a typo.
It's very close to my 2009 XF for a larger car with 150 hp more. There is some progress after all ;-)
 

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I just got an online Jaguar Magazine from Jaguar UK called "THE JAGUAR issue 4 / 2018". It has an article about the F-Pace SVR. It says:

"OFFICIAL EU FUEL CONSUMPTION FIGURES FOR THE F-PACE SVR in l/100km (mpg): 11.7; CO2 emissions g/km: 272.
For comparison purposes only. Real world figures may differ."
- if certification for this ancient engine to Euro 6d was such a cinch, why is the car 6 to 9 months late already, and not due now with paid deposit-customers before Q1/Q2 2019?

JLR had a choice - get it certified and emasculated, or have no SVR. They've chosen to get it through, but at the cost of a now feeble, anaemic engine, producing probably real 400-450hp, and barely 400 lb.ft, i.e., pointless for a range-topping 'super SUV'.

They should have binned the car, and given deposits back, as 'the car', the promised SVR thing, could not be delivered.

In typical JLR fashion, they've not made a decision, and will hope the media wil cover for this pop gun of a car, when the opposition now have howitzers, producing real up to 700hp, for 5-600hp declared.

The Lambo Urus for instance is producing way over 700hp from a 4-litre V8, and the 4-litre V8 in the Merc GLC/GLC Coupe the best part of 600hp.

Not even JLR fanboys will want a £80-100k car that can be thrashed by 'cooking' versions of the competition, Merc's straight six AMG '53's for example, priced around £50-60k.

Speth failed to get BMW's V8 in 2013, and JLR is now suffering majorly, with this old, inadequate engine.
 

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Special Vehicles(F-Pace SVR)? More like Special Needs.

Delayed, non-appearing for almost a year and counting, and now overtaken by the X3/X4 M:



https://www.germancarforum.com/attachments/fppllgr-jpg.469471/

Meanwhile, the no doubt £20k more F-Pace SVR's latest excuse is 'blown tyres' - as no one but JLR makes 150 mph+ 2 tonne+ SUVs:

Not sure if this has been covered before, but was told today that the delay is down to tyres. Apparently they have a tendency to explode under the strain! Expecting dealer demo SVRs in april. I assumed the dealer meant 2019
https://www.fpaceforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2920&start=350
 

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Over a year delayed:

Had the call from my dealer over the weekend - my build slot has gone back again, now its 17/05 with 'At dealer' now forecast as 07/06 and 'Retailed' as 12/06. I placed my deposit early September and initially expected collection around Christmas. That went back to 'end Feb' then 'early April' and now June.
https://www.fpaceforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2920&sid=d240a737b4f78da908f72882720f1c23&start=370

You don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to work out that something's off here.

It's a combination of:

- the higher/far higher output/performance in reality of the new BMW X3/X4 M, Stelvio QV, Merc GLC 63 S twins, and coming facelifted Macan Turbo
- the far lower than stated output/performance of the Euro 6c/particulate filter-neutered '550/575 PS' obsolete 5-litre V8
- SV Operations being wound down/binned for cost saving - flogging off stock, inventory, the site if owned at Ryton on Dunsmore
- general chaos at JLR, where the 4,500 white collar heads being cut, probably more in truth, has led to a 'down tools' approach of the infamously truculent Midlands workforce, so that hardly anything is getting through and being done.

This last point is backed up by the non-/never-show of the Defender, the Ingenium I6, which was rushed out as 'launched', in the peculiar RR Sport HST, almost certainly just for PR, like the now year-delayed F-Pace SVR itself.

Sorry, but this looks so much like BL/Austin Rover of the 70s and 80s, before they were saved by Ford - Jaguar - and Land Rover - BMW, just in the nick of time, who spent tens of £billions in today's money just trying to right the ship first of all - Browns Lane WWII machine tools etc - and then try to make the workforce responsible and adult, producing near industry average product quality.

The 'system' has gone back to its normal state, without such huge forceful outside change. BL/AR/Rover Group was a nightmare, sclerotic, a bad, bolshy workforce with an even worse management body.
 

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Lots of 'ex-demos' - cough, pre-regs - for sale on Autotrader, Webuyanycar offering barely over half of list price for basically new cars, and now the few mugs who literally bought the lies of JLR and the media are stuck with a BL Friday special from the 70s:

We've already had a few SVRs come back with water in the footwells, theres a seam around the bulkhead that on some cars hasnt been sealed properly. As you mentioned they arent different enough to the regular F-pace to warrant the SVR badge imo.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=1822953

- what these gullible idiots paying around £80k didn't realise is that as well as Solihull's notorious build quality to contend with, plus the more recent decimation of the workforce there, meaning all the old, experienced hands will have buggered off, seeing the writing on the wall and taking their redundancy, leaving green, temp/agency staff nailing these sheds together, even worse than before, is that these 'new' 2019 cars were actually built in 2018, a year or more before sale, standing around outside, which will not have helped any build weaknesses.

The water in footwells is probably because of perished, shrunken windscreen and other glass seals, from sitting out in direct sunlight, day after day, and then in months of frigid weather, with moss growing etc.

A double PDI - once at the factory/distribution centre, and again at the dealers - may have given the appearance of newness and factory-freshness, but as anyone knows, standing around, not moving, not working, for a long period, plays havoc deep down on any machinery.
 
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