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UK's only hope is that this "snap", which is just the start of this solar cycle minimum, with the worst still years ahead, around 2021-23, and then a grand solar minimum on top, a Dalton or possibly a Maunder, breaks in the next 2 days, as if this continues past the weekend, we are looking at food shortages, mass deaths from hypothermia, not just in the elderly, and quite possibly civil breakdown, as food supplies become affected, with the notorious supermarket just-in-time supply chains from field to shelf.

We've only ourselves to blame, as we are an infantilised society, distracted by bread and circuses - football, Z-listers, crappy royal weddings etc - and the under 30s believe smartphones are the be all and end all of everything.

British people believe AGW more than most other peoples, lacking the gumption to question the 30 years long propaganda. You reap what you sow, and the whirlwind literally is here, with -25 deg C windchill, when we were told just a deacde ago by charlatans like Gore, Blair, Stein, Viner... that 'snow would be a thing of the past', 'the world would have warmed by 2 deg C by 2020', and the 'polar cap melted', and 'the north west passage opened up'.
This cold snap is not caused by anything to do with the sun that is a complete misunderstanding of what a solar minimum is. This cold snap is caused by unseasonably warm air in the arctic (+20 degrees C). No one (especially you) knows when there might be another grand solar minimum as these things are not predictable. It is expected we might get one this century. I suspect you are misquoting a bunch of people; e.g. since the IPCC target is 2 deg C by the end of the century why would anyone mention 2020. I suspect "polar ice cap meltING rather than melted. I note that the arctic ice has been melting and that the northwest passage is basically open (not recommended!) on a regular basis since about 2013.
 

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Brr cold in here - oh no it's not is it? Ice age arriving in 10, 9, 8 (millennia)
- that's probably what the I-Pace buyers thought.

Meanwhile, in a land far, far away, called Reality, the virtue signallers will be charging their 2.3 tonne save the planet green whales with either gas, coal, emergency diesel, or nuke generation(UK&French) - as runaway CAGW - The Guardian told me and the nice David Attenborough says it's true - has brought freezing conditions 2 weeks/1 month before official winter, with nary a breeze or a ray of sun, meaning that trumpeted - on the ITN 10 o'clock propaganda bulletin just last night: Scotland will be 100% fossil free by 2020 - renewables are as useless as, er, a 2.3 tonne green whale.

50 GW to be generated by what?

But still, it's just "a snap", right, like the nice TV person told me, like Sir David - they never lie.

Oh, and gridwatch is down, just as the high pressure, no wind, no sun settles in, so we, the plebs, can't see the truth over UK's 'Renewables Revolution" - how convenient.

You're screwed this winter, unless you live in a Palace, or two, with backup diesel generators, or, like old Churchill did when PM in the '50s, kept quiet from the plebs, left Blighty for the south of France for 6 months, to escape the cold and damp. Suckers!
 

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- that's probably what the I-Pace buyers thought.

Meanwhile, in a land far, far away, called Reality, the virtue signallers will be charging their 2.3 tonne save the planet green whales with either gas, coal, emergency diesel, or nuke generation(UK&French) - as runaway CAGW - The Guardian told me and the nice David Attenborough says it's true - has brought freezing conditions 2 weeks/1 month before official winter, with nary a breeze or a ray of sun, meaning that trumpeted - on the ITN 10 o'clock propaganda bulletin just last night: Scotland will be 100% fossil free by 2020 - renewables are as useless as, er, a 2.3 tonne green whale.

50 GW to be generated by what?

But still, it's just "a snap", right, like the nice TV person told me, like Sir David - they never lie.

Oh, and gridwatch is down, just as the high pressure, no wind, no sun settles in, so we, the plebs, can't see the truth over UK's 'Renewables Revolution" - how convenient.

You're screwed this winter, unless you live in a Palace, or two, with backup diesel generators, or, like old Churchill did when PM in the '50s, kept quiet from the plebs, left Blighty for the south of France for 6 months, to escape the cold and damp. Suckers!
You are not really making any sense as always. Are you trying to imply that we are in a cold snap now - because it's basically the time of year you would expect it to be cold (you can't be because it has been unseasonably hot all year in the UK) . But that is irrelevant (remember, it's not about localised temperatures, but global temperatures, which are provably higher this century). This is easily the hottest year globally on record with an La Nina). You promised us a freezing cold La Nina year what happened? A cold year or two in any case wouldn't disprove global warming, which is confirmed by all the evidence. Certainly, the energy mix is a cause for concern and we should certainly be encouraging the government to govern and decrease reliance on fossil fuels.

Did you really say "freezing conditions 2 weeks/1 month before official winter", is that supposed to be evidence of something? It's been an incredibly warm November in the UK.

 

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Hey, just to chime in. Here in New England we are having the coldest Thanksgiving in 117 years, and may break the overall record for coldest Thanksgiving later tonight.

It is excruciatingly cold for this time of the year.





All I can say, in a day like today, is that a 2C-4C warming would be very nice indeed.
 

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Not that it proves anything, but here in Denmark, we've had the hottest summer ever, and the autumn has been very warm including October and November. I also know, that the ice in Greenland and on the North Pole is melting. There has never been so little ice there. Well not in modern times at least. Is that just a warm snap or what? All the experts say, we have global warming, and it's just about too late to do anything about it. And yet some people seems to find it funny making jokes about the people talking about it and trying to do something about it. This is not a joke. This is not something, we can just pay our way out of. If it's true. I'll be careful and say if. If it's true, the planet will become inhabitable to us. The planet will survive as it did after the dinosaurs. But we humans will become extinct. That is not so funny to think about.
 

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http://gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

- the reality of charging an EV in UK in 2018/19 'winter'(5-6 months of year):

Coal - maxed out at almost 10GW
Nuke - 6GW constant - don't mention the waste - er, bury it in Cumbria, far, far away from London/S.East
Gas - maxed out at 25GW - thank god we weren't stupid enough to p!ss of Vlad, or else we'll freeze this winter
"Biomass" - 2.5GW, the 'dirty' coal-fired Drax, now burning 'clean' wood chip, shipped half way around the world on diesel ships
French interconnector - Non! - the French need all the power they can get themselves, in this 'cold snap'

'Renewables'

wind - from 20-25GW supposed intalled capacity, 2.5GW in this 'cold snap' - when it's most needed. Genius!
solar - what solar? We live in a freaking cold, cloudy, damp country, 50 degrees plus above the equator. What fecking idiot thought to depend a real 70 million population country on the whims of sunrays, better suited to the Sahara?

Pumped/hydro - 1-2GW max.

Er, that's it.

When electricity is most needed, in the middle of winter, er, late autumn actually, we get 5% from renewables.

What moron or morons came up with this? Oh yeah, the Great Brainwashed British Public - Pub Landlord.

For 50GW requirement, from Nov, through to early April, during any high pressure 'cold snap', we're at least 3GW short, even with Pumped.

That, secretly, is met partially by "emergency generation". Vast taxpayer money spooned over to private, connected with Whitehall companies, who fire up MW-sets diesel generators, to try to keep the lights on.

That, is the reality of the EV future, and abolition of ICEs in just 10 years. Won't happen, because it can't happen, We can't keep the lights on at present, never mind millions of idiots connecting to the grid, each with 20KW and upwards requirements, typically at 6pm.

Forget EVs, the problem is how to get through a winter in UK with a lied about real population of 70m, and electricity generation based upon a pack of lies, Globull Warming.
 

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'Renewables', 'wind power', 'Global Warming' etc, are just versions of a modern IQ test:

Wind power delivers a growing percentage of the electricity of the United Kingdom and by the end of October 2018, it consisted of 9,098 wind turbines with a total installed capacity of over 20.1 gigawatts: 12,225 megawatts of onshore capacity and 7,907 megawatts of offshore capacity.[SUP][7][/SUP] This placed the United Kingdom at this time as the world's sixth largest producer of wind power.[SUP][8][/SUP] Polling of public opinion consistently shows strong support for wind power in the UK, with nearly three quarters of the population agreeing with its use, even for people living near onshore wind turbines.[SUP][9][/SUP][SUP][10][/SUP][SUP][11][/SUP][SUP][12][/SUP][SUP][13][/SUP][SUP][14][/SUP]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_the_United_Kingdom

- three-quarters (minimum) of the British public are retarded. Who knew.

You can dismiss this as tin foil if you want, but it's pretty clear that the powers that be, with Agenda 21 and so on, are using Global Warming and the like to thin the herd, to sort the wheat from the chaff, some say down to around 500m global population, hence the modern idiot or IQ test - Eugenics 100-150 years later.

Those idiots/impressionables who believe GW will stop procreating, to save the planet, or get ill from being anemic through lack of red meat and protein, and die off in the coming Little Ice Age - known to TPTB of course.

Harsh, but so is the world, the real one, as our ancestors during the 17th and early 19th centuries found out, in previous solar minima.

Sir David Attenborough will be dead before the worst hits, and the mobs look for the culprits, so why should he care, if he's not senile already.

The 'experts' and 'settled science' scientists just see a large pay cheque, a cushy living and a safe pension, plus the ability to hop down to southern climes by jet, several times a year, to escape the health-threatening cold.

You've been had. No excuse, with the 20 yr old Internet, and god-given curiosity. Hence the idiot test.
 

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'Renewables', 'wind power', 'Global Warming' etc, are just versions of a modern IQ test:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_the_United_Kingdom

- three-quarters (minimum) of the British public are retarded. Who knew.

You can dismiss this as tin foil if you want, but it's pretty clear that the powers that be, with Agenda 21 and so on, are using Global Warming and the like to thin the herd, to sort the wheat from the chaff, some say down to around 500m global population, hence the modern idiot or IQ test - Eugenics 100-150 years later.

Those idiots/impressionables who believe GW will stop procreating, to save the planet, or get ill from being anemic through lack of red meat and protein, and die off in the coming Little Ice Age - known to TPTB of course.

Harsh, but so is the world, the real one, as our ancestors during the 17th and early 19th centuries found out, in previous solar minima.

Sir David Attenborough will be dead before the worst hits, and the mobs look for the culprits, so why should he care, if he's not senile already.

The 'experts' and 'settled science' scientists just see a large pay cheque, a cushy living and a safe pension, plus the ability to hop down to southern climes by jet, several times a year, to escape the health-threatening cold.

You've been had. No excuse, with the 20 yr old Internet, and god-given curiosity. Hence the idiot test.
Ignoring most of this as conspiracy theory w**k, I should probably address once again your reference to an on coming "little ice age". These are interesting, because in the past they have been caused by the effect of an increase in Ice in the Northern hemisphere (due to a decrease in sunlight due primarily to the tilt of the earth and distance from the sun) which reduces still further the heat by incoming solar radiation (due to reflection). But since ther ehas been a massive reduction in ice in the northern hemisphere (because of global warming) this effect cannot happen. You will recall last winter when you were crowing about how cold it was and I pointed out that the polar region was unseasonably hot (20 degrees C) which was causing our (locally) cold weather. You have to stop calling people retards just because they haven't een taken in by propaganda by the petrochemical industry.

As you will surely agree there is very little money in pure science (compared with oil and gas) there is also very little coordination (compared with the oil and gas industry). It is oil and gas that has money to lose not the scientists.

Burning hydrocarbons is causing global warming, this is not disputable any more and no one but you and some weirdos (and people in the pay of oil and gas) do. You also gloss over actual pollution effects of both diesel and petrol whenever you promote ICE engines. They are dirty and they pollute and they are massive contributors to global warming. The issue of having children is way down the list of action to be taken to prevent global warming (that is the loony side of the green argument - in the same was as you are the loony side of the opposing argument).

Anyway, since you never have anything approaching a logical or scientific argument I'll just leave you to your delusions.
 

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- that's probably what the I-Pace buyers thought.

Meanwhile, in a land far, far away, called Reality, the virtue signallers will be charging their 2.3 tonne save the planet green whales with either gas, coal, emergency diesel, or nuke generation(UK&French) - as runaway CAGW - The Guardian told me and the nice David Attenborough says it's true - has brought freezing conditions 2 weeks/1 month before official winter, with nary a breeze or a ray of sun, meaning that trumpeted - on the ITN 10 o'clock propaganda bulletin just last night: Scotland will be 100% fossil free by 2020 - renewables are as useless as, er, a 2.3 tonne green whale.

50 GW to be generated by what?

But still, it's just "a snap", right, like the nice TV person told me, like Sir David - they never lie.

Oh, and gridwatch is down, just as the high pressure, no wind, no sun settles in, so we, the plebs, can't see the truth over UK's 'Renewables Revolution" - how convenient.

You're screwed this winter, unless you live in a Palace, or two, with backup diesel generators, or, like old Churchill did when PM in the '50s, kept quiet from the plebs, left Blighty for the south of France for 6 months, to escape the cold and damp. Suckers!
Not quite sure why you keep going on about poor David Attenborough and the Guardian; are you some how under the belief that everyone who doesn't vehemently disagree with the global warming consensus somehow gets all their information from the Guardian and the BBC. What about the Dail Mail

Or the telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/08/earths-temperature-rise-15c-early-2030-amid-dire-warnings-un/

Papers are just papers.
 

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'Planet-saver' halted by 3 foot of 'Global Warming'?:

http://www.tellerreport.com/news/--more-and-more-austrian-places-inaccessible-due-to-heavy-snowfall-.rJhaPJp-V.html

https://weather.com/news/news/2019-01-05-central-europe-snow-storm-germany-austria-switzerland

https://snowbrains.com/dumping-alps-7-feet-7-days/

This is obviously fake news. Top scientist Herr Doktor Professor Albert Gore and his mate David Viner of Climategate predicted in 2005 that snow would be a thing of the past, which children would not know, and the polar ice cap melted.

Luckily, the top brains at JLR and the Indian owners saw right through this blatant criminal AGW-denial, and put production in the new semi-tropical region of Styria, capital Graz, where the EV I-Pace is made, to global rapturous reception - when they can get them out the gates, past the 10' snow drifts.

It had to come to this, kids, fake 'planet savers', fake 'game changers' for a fake globally warmed climate.

The venal idiots in charge, from third-rate car company CEOs, to bought and paid politicians, to '97% of 'scientists'', have screwed the pooch, due to their greed and imbecility.

Still, every cloud has a silver lining... ...and JLR will be able to blame the 'cold snap', 'climate change-caused record snowfalls/cold', for the 'sudden' fall off in I-Pace production and delivery, as they look down the barrel of empty order books for 2019, after the first dupes dry up after the media's hype.

'Global Warming' in 2019 = wildcat strikes at BL in the 70s provoked by management to reduce unsellable finished vehicle stock.

Nothing changes, just the amount and 'quality' of 'PR'/lies.
 

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'Planet-saver' halted by 3 foot of 'Global Warming'?:

http://www.tellerreport.com/news/--more-and-more-austrian-places-inaccessible-due-to-heavy-snowfall-.rJhaPJp-V.html

https://weather.com/news/news/2019-01-05-central-europe-snow-storm-germany-austria-switzerland

https://snowbrains.com/dumping-alps-7-feet-7-days/

This is obviously fake news. Top scientist Herr Doktor Professor Albert Gore and his mate David Viner of Climategate predicted in 2005 that snow would be a thing of the past, which children would not know, and the polar ice cap melted.

Luckily, the top brains at JLR and the Indian owners saw right through this blatant criminal AGW-denial, and put production in the new semi-tropical region of Styria, capital Graz, where the EV I-Pace is made, to global rapturous reception - when they can get them out the gates, past the 10' snow drifts.

It had to come to this, kids, fake 'planet savers', fake 'game changers' for a fake globally warmed climate.

The venal idiots in charge, from third-rate car company CEOs, to bought and paid politicians, to '97% of 'scientists'', have screwed the pooch, due to their greed and imbecility.

Still, every cloud has a silver lining... ...and JLR will be able to blame the 'cold snap', 'climate change-caused record snowfalls/cold', for the 'sudden' fall off in I-Pace production and delivery, as they look down the barrel of empty order books for 2019, after the first dupes dry up after the media's hype.

'Global Warming' in 2019 = wildcat strikes at BL in the 70s provoked by management to reduce unsellable finished vehicle stock.

Nothing changes, just the amount and 'quality' of 'PR'/lies.
Last year was the fourth warmest year on record and the warmest year with an La Ninia. Temperatures this century have been smack bang in the centre of the various prediction models. The Northwest passage is now regularly open and for longer periods of the year.
When it comes to greed, is it research scientists who are renowned for being greedy, or is bankers and the petrochemical industry. Surely, it's the latter whose prime focus is money and the former who are, you know, in it for the science. To have a conspiracy theory based on concerted action between scientists rather than a capitalist banker/ industry cabal requires a special kind of lunacy that I suspect you don't believe it yourself and are just pushing it because that is what they do on zerofacts and seeking abuse.
 

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Nice of you to bringing it back to slagging off JLR and the ipace. But it's just an excuse to do so isn't it not a real denial of global warming. Let's cast our eyes westward to the US supreme Court and Exxon's trials and tribulations. Can the altruistic oil company hide its internal papers that indicate that they knew about Global warming for decades and have since been spending money on casting doubt and uncertainty onto what they know is a fact. No they can't - not even with a massively right wing Supreme Court. What's an oil rich country going to do when the inevitable law suit arrives, will it fine it's oil industry into oblivion? Probably not, but I'd take bets on Tesla lasting longer as a company than Exxon at this point.
 

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'Planet-saver' halted by 3 foot of 'Global Warming'?:

http://www.tellerreport.com/news/--more-and-more-austrian-places-inaccessible-due-to-heavy-snowfall-.rJhaPJp-V.html

https://weather.com/news/news/2019-01-05-central-europe-snow-storm-germany-austria-switzerland

https://snowbrains.com/dumping-alps-7-feet-7-days/

This is obviously fake news. Top scientist Herr Doktor Professor Albert Gore and his mate David Viner of Climategate predicted in 2005 that snow would be a thing of the past, which children would not know, and the polar ice cap melted.
I didn't have time to deal with all of this nonsense last time. Do you have (in context) sources that David Viner said that "snow would be a thing of the past". Here's a quote from him from "Tree Hugger", "Dr Viner can, at least, take some comfort in the fact that one of his predictions was not entirely incorrect. With heavy snowfall returning from time to time, he said, "we're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time.". Also, if he did say any such thing it was probably about snow being rarer in the UK, and possibly more intense. You shouldn't criticise people for what the papers say they said, because the papers probably misinterpreted. Weather is not climate, as I've pointed out to you before. Increased precipitation is an absolute bang on prediction of AGW. Warmer weather leads to more precipitation and on higher ground that means snow. But snowfall one winter in one place is just weather and means precisely nothing about climate. If you've got anything useful to add in relation to climate please do. Or just believe what you are told on "whatsupwiththat", if that's easier for you - I know it's complicated and not as easy as slagging JLR off.
 

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Old King Coal:

http://gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

Still, it's 40 deg C in Oz - middle of summer, 35 degrees from the equator... .

One more 'cold snap', either this winter or next, and the plebs will be throwing Global Warming experts on the fire to keep warm - metaphorically of course.
 

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Old King Coal:

http://gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

Still, it's 40 deg C in Oz - middle of summer, 35 degrees from the equator... .

One more 'cold snap', either this winter or next, and the plebs will be throwing Global Warming experts on the fire to keep warm - metaphorically of course.
I don't think anyone can discern your point. Yes record temperatures in Australia (recently over 50 C and 35 C at night), not particularly cold here, or the rest of the northern hemisphere. Coal use is historically low. And the lack of a functioning energy policy in the UK is not evidence for or against global warming. If you are hoping for lower global temperatures this year I am afraid you are going to be sadly disappointed, the La Ninia of last year is over - it was still up there as one of the hottest years on record.
 

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A foretaste of Jan-Feb('20):

http://gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

- barely 5 GW from wind/solar in the middle of the day.

Drop temp. by 10 deg. C and ~1.5 hours less daylight, and you're struggling with maxed out ~25 GW gas-fired and max import of around 5 GW from France, Belgium and Holland, against ~50 GW demand - without mass use of EVs.

Coal, what's left of it, 4 powerstations?, and emergency diesel generators - like XR use for their Carbon-zero demos - will have to take the strain.

I feel it in my bones that this winter, Jan-Mar time, will see the sh!t hit the fan - the non-rotating windmills in a 'Scandinavian high' - when Insane UK wakes to the reality - 'Gets Woke' - of living in a freezing northerly country with its best energy resources literally smashed up, by the gone quite insane inmates of the asylum.

The reason why XR, the Greens, Monbiot, Attenborough, the BBC, Soros etc are ramping up the hysteria so much, with now talk of 'just months to act and save the world, before we all die', is 'they' know the normal sunspot cycle is approaching its minimum, after the last severe winter of 2010, and there's a high probability of a GSM/LIA on top, maybe of Maunder, 'Thames frost fairs' extent.

The CAGW BS will be hard to peddle, and even for brainwashed sap Brits to swallow, when the lights and heating go off, and it's all blamed on GW/CC, when it's -10 C outside, and the price of nat. gas is going through the roof, with only Russia willing to supplly - or maybe not, if the Brits keep up the Skripal/Russiagate/Ukraine/Syria etc Fairytale.
 

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2 months or more off the really cold and dark weather and yet Gas is maxed out, and all that's really left as a major buffer is Coal:

http://gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

- Wind/Solar chipping in a massive <5GW, and that in the middle of the day, before the 5-7pm max demand - useful as a chocolate fireguard.

Add on another 10GW for max 'cold snap' demand, and still, high pressure conditions, and you run into needing those 5 or so remaining coal-fired powerstations - the majority of which are being closed from 31.3.20 - Does the Govt know something - like a v.harsh winter?

If the Continent has the same cold, still conditions, you can kiss goodbye to the interconnectors total of around 4GW, which France, NL and BE will want for themselves, nearly all using France's nuke energy, and similarly CAGW-mad, Wind/Solar Germany begging for it too.

That leaves around 10GW to be found from maxing out wood pellet burning Drax, a bit of hydro, the pumped station in Wales, and sweet fa else, except for the secret diesel generator sets, with max around 500MW.

No wonder the establishment through the media want the little people to be distracted 24/7 with the 'urgent question' of Brexit, or Trump's impeachment - matters of total irrelevance to 90% of the UK population.

What is relevant is how 'they' will explain why 'planned' power cuts have become necessary, starting with disconnecting the idiots who took 'Smart' meters, when UK has spent hundreds of billions on 'renewables', and literally smashed up the investment of around £1 trillion in today's money by the post-war generations in a strategic national power generation system, based predominantly on coal, and a nuclear 'baseload'.
 
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