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  1. #1861
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    Get this sick-joke, pos off the road, and close down that fraudster operation 'JLR 5*-Thatcham':

    Hailed as the most important SUV of the yearby Doug DeMuro, the electric crossover manufactured in Austria by Magna Steyr couldn’t do better than avoiding a collision with the help of AEB at 15 km/h (9 mph). Curiously enough, the E-Pace’s system did it even at 70 km/h (43.5 mph).

    Jaguar engineers were present for the group test, and following the woeful result of the first run, they convinced Dinside 20 år to try again. Later in the day, the second run yielded a similarly disappointing outcome.

    The engineers then explained to the Norwegian motoring publication that “power is cut to some systems” when opening the driver’s door, erasing “some data” from the car’s electronic brain. But wait, there’s more! “The vehicle uses the first ten minutes of driving to learn the traffic conditions and in what scenarios the emergency braking system should activate.”

    If that jibber-jabber makes any sense to you, we’re inclined to think that Jaguar has experimented with the programming and sensors of the AEB in the I-Pace without giving thought to this particular scenario, which happens to be similar to the testing procedure of the Euro NCAP. The engineers might have made a hodgepodge of the system in the I-Pace, but the question is, why couldn’t Jaguar use the one in the E-Pace?
    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/n...ng-130903.html

    - the only people buying the I-Pace are retards - 90% in UK - and JLR/JLR national sales companies/JLR dealers, hence why sales outside of UK - '1,000+ in Sep' - have dried up - Norway, Holland, US etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMVIrep View Post
    Get this sick-joke, pos off the road, and close down that fraudster operation 'JLR 5*-Thatcham':

    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/n...ng-130903.html

    - the only people buying the I-Pace are retards - 90% in UK - and JLR/JLR national sales companies/JLR dealers, hence why sales outside of UK - '1,000+ in Sep' - have dried up - Norway, Holland, US etc.
    I agree, that this is not ideal, and it's far from what we normally expect from Jaguar. But I don't think being able to pass a "moose test" made up by some Spanish publication at only 73 km/h and not 77 km/t, which apparently is the benchmark, is grounds for a safety recall. Not all cars are equally good at crash tests and other safety tests. But the cars that are only mediocre or perhaps even rather bad, are not illegal. The legal requirements are often far below, what every modern car can easily pass. I don't know the requirements in every country, but I find it hard to believe, that the I-Pace doesn't surpass them easily. But of course, if I was to pay that much money for a car, I would prefer a car that scores somewhat higher.

    Which bring me to another subject. I've always wondered, how the average car buyer can know, which cars are good, and which are bad. You say, that only retards buy an I-Pace. You often refer to the falling sales of the I-Pace as proof, that it's a bad car. But how can people know, it's a bad car? Every car magazine and other media outlets praise it highly. It has won just about every prize, a car can win. And we normal car buyers do actually believe, that the motor journalists are experts. They try all cars on the market, put them through a lot of tests and compare them. Something we normal car buyers can't do. I've tried a test drive in an I-Pace at the Frankfurt motor show, and it seemed like a great car. It was comfortable, silent and very fast and agile. I admit, that I'm no expert. I haven't tried the competitors, but I suspect that many car buyers don't try a lot of cars before buying. And even if I did try the competitors, would I be able to tell much difference from the usual short test drive from the dealership.
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    MY2009 XF Premium Luxury 4.2 V8 petrol, lunar gray, dove leather.
    Previous: MY2012 XF Luxury 2.2 (190 ps) diesel, azurite blue, barley leather.

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    Supreme irony, chutzpah, or just the usual crashing incompetence, ignorance and ineptness from JLR's PR contractor?:

    'Under the skin: Why you can always count on ABS'[unless it's a JLR]


    https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/t...ways-count-abs

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    What hope an ABS/DSC functioning system when JLR's nearly 20,000 engineers - '13,000' at Gaydon around 5,000 at Whitley - can't position a wiper blade?:

    https://www.ipaceforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2605

    - of course the usual apologists/idiots jump in and say - 'all other cars do that too, so not a problem':

    I have had this on previous cars (one Italian, one German). It’s a simple calibration of the wipers that the dealer can carry out whilst you wait.
    - 'simple calibration', eh:

    Same issue here. I've been to the dealer twice and there is some improvement but it's still there at motorway speeds with heavy rain.
    - good job anyone with a brain will never drive an I-Pace anyway near motorway speeds, or indeed above 20 mph/35 kmh, when the automatic emergency braking packs in, and also avoids brakes locking up and the car going out of control in an avoidance manoeuvre, and also the '97% proven scientific fact' that CAGW means UK's climate will any minute now be that of semi-desert, like the south of France, as predicted since the mid-90s, so one may as well just pull the wipers off and chuck them in the bin.

    Of course what's really happening is that 'JLR's 20,000 engineers' just took the F-Pace, full-fat etc, and pulled the windscreen forward, which made the wiper arms needing to be longer, with the same amount of angular flex, meaning more movement of the longer arm, hence getting near or hitting the driver side A-post, plus the extra and accelerated air being swept over the windscreen by the bonnet scoop thing, there to try to improve the I-Pace's awful Cd.

    The combination of the carryover wiper system, longer wiper arm for the larger screen, and this air flow from the scoop, is sending the arm into the post, obviously especially at higher, motorway-typical speeds, and when the wipers are on high/highest speed, to cope with all this jetstream caused downpours, caused by a grand solar minimum/little ice age - the opposite of the 20/30 years old 'scientific fact'.

    The drealers can't fix it, 'calibrate it', because the inherent problem is flex, which means all they could do is put the wiper park position lower, which means possible foul, or lack of screen wipe at lower speeds.

    The problem is fundamental - a new, from-scratch system, almost certainly more expensive system, where the flex is reduced, or you start from scratch with the car, and accept that huge screens can pose this problem, so bin the car, as unfit for purpose in a wet/very wet climate.

    It reminds me of the new Royal Navy QE aircraft carrier - TV programmes on BBC4 currently. This £3bn tub is basically scrap, with warped, untrue propellor shafts, causing likely damage to the diesel power units themselves and vibrating, resonating the whole structure, due to sh!t workmanship - the (non-)fitting of the propellor etc - and generally the lack of skills/intelligence in the shipbuilding/engineering/maunfacturing industry in 21st century UK, due to the all the 60s, 70s, 80s trained, C&G, BTec etc guys - and they were guys - having retired, so now with a bunch of MBAs, management consultants, and 6 week 'Modern Apprenticeships' below, where they are unable to make and fit a bog standard propulsion system, that has been around for 150 years.

    A working, capable wiper system is beyond our 'leading' automotive/engineering company.

    Wow.

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    JLR's 'big screen'/screen pulled forward for better Cd on ancient full-fat etc bones, strikes again:

    Service guy has just been and it turns out the windscreen isn't bonded in properly on the passenger side top corner. So the rain was getting in there, running down the A pillar and into the passenger footwell.
    https://www.ipaceforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2608

    - what did I say? - that pulling the screen forward, making the aperture bigger and A post lengths longer, on the ancient base of full-fat, F-Pace etc, with predominantly aluminium construction, not modern, multi-material, typically high/ultra-high strength steel in the A-posts, firewall/front bulkhead etc, would inevitably lead to more flexing of the windscreen frame, and no matter how good the initial bonding in the factory at Graz, by top G-Class etc operators, and no doubt anyway done by a robot - the adhesive application and screen fitment - would come undone, literally, once the car was subjected to movement on the road, especially on UK's 'pothole-athon', where 2.3 tonnes or more, on huge 22" wheels, with tiny rubber band tyres, sends huge shocks through the structure, especially at higher speeds, obviously.

    There'll also be thermal cycling, where this summer chemtrailing was reduced by the UK authorities, leading to 'record temps', the August Bank Holiday, over 30 deg C. etc, but much more importantly, direct, strong sunlight, for up to 12 hours a day, for a stationary car parked outside.

    The I-Pace's front screen is at a very low angle, and so in the months May till August is receiving the sun almost perpendicular, even in 50 deg, North UK.

    Now comes the frigid months, with the aluminium having been thermally cycled, stressed and fatigued, possibly even exposing the adhesive, the roads getting even worse, more potholed, broken up, with many/most UK I-Pace owners not going onto smaller, winter wheels and higher ratio, more rubber tyres, with huge 'whacks' from those 20/22 inchers through the weak, aluminium structure, and so the now incessant downpours increasingly lead to reports of water getting in, as reported from around the screen.

    It's not rocket science. Nor is the wiper issue.

    It's an old/ancient structure, dating from the 2002 XJ X350, with its then cutting edge, lightweight aluminium usage, now superseded by multi-materials, with boron steels etc offsetting their weight disadvantage, and then piling on weight on this fundamentally weak/weaker structure, with 2 tonne, 2.3 tonnes, GVW of up to 3 tonnes, for a platform designed for a lightweight sporting saloon, the X350 XJ, of around 1.7 tonnes kerbweight, and around 2.1t GVW.

    And then you take this around 500 kilos extra weight loading, in the I-Pace's case, and add huge, up to ~30 kg 22" wheels, and '40' profile tyres, for a structure/suspension designed around 18" wheels max, and then you add a front screen not far off twice the size of the X350's.

    And then, as a mug owner, you wonder why your Car of the Year is a mobile fish tank, whose wipers do a good impression of a 70s Lada.

    Just bin it, and move on. Life's too short. These jokers, like the Communist Bloc car makers, need to be consigned to history, and the best bits possibly bought up by companies who know what they're doing.

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    Well there goes the argument that the Taycan would not affect/crush the I-Pace, due to its way, way, way higher price:

    https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...%A383000-price

    So basically HSE pricing with 22" wheels, pano and a few minor options = 530PS, similar real available battery capacity(I-Pace's 81 kWh), and 250 miles WLTP range, i.e. at least 50 miles more than the I-Pace's in the real world, not bent UK/authorities land.

    So that means a Porsche, a pukka one, built in Stuttgart at its home base, in a brand new factory, by the cream of Germany's excellent vocational and tech educational system, that'll do real 0-60 mph around 2 seconds quicker than the I-Pace, and a top speed of 155 mph, not 124, and charging at over 200 kW, compared to the I-Pace's real ~80 kW max.

    Hmm, tough one for consumers. Should I go with the bestest thing, ever, - according to the global media, HRH, the UK state etc, or with the best made car in the world, from the best car maker in the world, that'll give me a free 'flipper's bonus' should I dislike it after buying, of at least £20k/€30k, or 'the bestest thing ever', with its -£30k once I have MUG branded on my forehead and drive a new I-Pace off the laughing dealer's forecourt.

    Tough one that.

    Imagine how much money Porsche/VAG/Porsche SE/the Porsche and Piech clans are making from the Turbo and Turbo S Taycans, at £150-200k+? Equals 'Licence to Print Money'.

    Cheating Kraut bar-stewards, I gear you say. Maybe, if you're a five year old, and still believe in Father Christmas and the output from Her Majesty's Press, but the rest of the world will adore their Taycans, as they're real things - years and years of development, by the finest techs, engineers, IT specialists etc on the planet.

    It's over, as I've said a million times. JLR, the PR thing, has come to the end of its life. The supply of idiots with ~£100k to plonk a non-working toy, outside of brainwashed, half insane UK, is severely limited.

    And remember, the Taycan's cheaper, sister car, the e-tron GT, will be along in almost the blink of an eye - first deliveries in around 6 months - and then there's the 'PPE' cars, Audi's and possibly Porsche's one rung-down EVs, cars like the next, ~2021 Macan, so I-Pace-plus performance, ~100 miles more range, 3-4 times higher charging speed etc, for around 'S'/'SE' I-Pace money.

    It's over. Get over it.

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    But the fat guy with a plum in his mouth and intimate knowledge of events in Greece 2,500 years ago, claims UK leads the world in electric cars:

    'Vitesco To Supply PSA And Hyundai With Integrated Electric Drives'


    https://insideevs.com/news/376095/vi...ectric-drives/

    - maybe he's right, and 'Vitesco' is some obscure, but soon to be IPO'd for £10bn+ tech start-up by Cambridge Uni. or JLR 'Campus' boffins, that will stun the world, a Game-changer to coin a phrase, and a Kraut-killer to coin another - Blighty taking it to the Boche - again - 2 world wars, 1 world cup, 1 global EV domination.

    Or perhaps 'Vitesco' is Continental, a Hannover-based 100% Kraut outfit. Oh dear, the Germans again doing, walking the walk, supplying key EV components to mighty Hyundai, whilst BoJo, Blighty and its near 100% insane inmates talk the talk, telling themselves: 'we're no.1, we make Cars of the Year, we're world-leading, everyone is in awe of us...'.

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    'cheats never prosper' - so how come?:

    Top this month:
    Audi E-tron with: 673 cars

    Audi E-tron

    673

    Volkswagen Golf

    560

    Jaguar I-pace

    146

    https://elbilstatistikk.no/

    And BloJob told us plebs just a few weeks back that 'Britain makes one in five of all the EVs sold in Europe'. He was referring to this joke:

    Nissan Leaf

    555

    - outsold even by the ancient, soon to be binned eGolf - replaced with the ID.3 obviously.

    'cheats do prosper' because:

    a) VAG didn't cheat - the whole industry did - non-functioning EGR at low temps etc - only BMW possibly didn't, with their fantastic engines

    b) Mr and Mrs Joe Public have largely forgotten the now over 4 years ago Dieselgate, nothwithstanding the BBC, Guardian etc trying every day, still, to keep the public brainwashed and hating the Krauts, and so just buy VAGs and German cars generally on merit - which of course they're invariably the best at.

    And so, in late 2019, with Dieselgate receding to a tiny dot in the rear view mirror, VAG's juggernaut rolls on, gathers steam, with this latest surge in e-tron registrations in the key market Norway, where the peope have largely seen through the tissue of media/state lies around 'the car of the year', and black propaganda by the UK/US, JLR/Tesla on the 'appallling low range of the e-tron(EPA 204 miles etc)', and gone for their own eyes', ears' and ar$es' experience, and now cheaper, good value for money '50' model.

    I-Pace true sales in Norway are settling down to around 150 units a month, and Norway as a rule of thumb is about one-fifth to one quarter of the real global EV market at the moment, for non-Tesla, so the I-Pace is doing around 600-750 units a month globally, and so well under 10k units/yr annualised, and heading for nearer 5k, as the '50' e-tron, EQC, Taycan, Polestar/Volvo etc pick up steam, which is why:

    1. the 'NHS' has 'bought' 500 units - i.e. the UK taxpayer has bunged Tata tens of millions of pounds

    2. Downing Street/Whitehall is knee deep in I-Paces - I bet Tata/JLR tried to get Blojob into one - replacing the ancient XJ - but armouring up an I-Pace would leave about 10cm cubed available internal space - too little even for 5'9" Blojob.

    The acid test will come with Magna's Q3 report in a couple of weeks, maybe next week, which should hint at production reducing for the I-Pace, like the E-Pace earlier, now that the I-Pace's first year is over, and so all the ridiculous huge year on year percentage 'rises' drop out.

    Long and short of it - the I-Pace is over. Norway has shown it's been destroyed. Norway is the only market at the moment that really matters, with UK for instance being 100% friggable by JLR, with thousands of I-Paces being self-registered or passed off to VIPs, or given away to lease companies.

    Dieselgate is well and truly buried, and so is the 'Game-changer', 'Tesla-killer', 'Disruptor', 'Car of the Year' I-Pace.
    Last edited by BMVIrep; 25-10-19 at 11:17.

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    Scammer gets scammed, shysters get out-shystered by past master, uber shysters...:

    The Duke and Duchess of Sussex spoke with young people from around the world as part of Meghan's role in The Queen’s Commonwealth Trust (QCT) and the One Young World summit.

    Harry drove his wife in an electric Audi E-Tron to the low-key event, which is just a short distance from their Frogmore Cottage home.
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...rance-20720728

    - the ginger half-wit is just carrying on the tradition of 'The Firm', aka 'Royals', his grandmother crying, real tears, over 'her Windsor Castle' burning, in 1992 'Annus Horribilis', and trying to bilk the taxpayer for a subsidy on her heating bills, as 'a poor old lady', etc, etc, etc, that of getting everything free - off-duty Audi cars, the free 'royal Bentley' etc - and a nice side earner being the frontmen for JLR products - 'we all drive British, fly the flag constantly', to impress/brainwash the little people.

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    Shouldn’t let the day pass without recording the fact that Tesla reported a $6.3 billion quarterly profit

 

 

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