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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron95 View Post
    So at this time all we know is that Jaguar claims to pass EPA emissions in their internal tests. And that is nothing hard to do. It just costs money in additional exhaust after-treatment. Those options are missing from European spec Ingenium cars.
    eh? Every Ingenium and V6 diesel-engined JLR has SCR, whether sold in US or not, since 2015 - Euro 6 introduction.

    What's this "addditonal after-treatment" so?

    Let's be logical, if it was just a matter of 'extra', for the US market, to meet EPA regs, why hasn't JLR done that to European vehicles since the disastrous real driving results of the German transport ministry tests in early 2016?

    Dieselgate broke in Sep 2015, and yet ADAC and Emissions Analytica are still testing JLRs and finding 6-10 times the permissible level of NOx almost 2 years on.

    Why would JLR be so dumb to not just tweak their vehicles, as per the US ones, to avoid all this embarrassing publicity and possble bans in continental Europe from RDE testing in September?

    The answer is they can't. Ingenium, and the 13 year old V6, are fundamentally non-compliant, and require major re-engineering, not just of SCR cat size, AdBlue reservior size, software tweaks, but also the fundamental combustion.

    Mercedes have had to do precisely this for their aging current 3-litre V6 diesel, OM642, which has just been released for the E-Class, over a year on from launch, due to the re-engineering required for RDE, with larger SCR cat, for one.

    BMW have just announced that their 2-litre diesel is being pretty comprehensively re-engineered too, with more air through twin-stage turbocharging, to reduce NOx.

    JLR is not RDE compliant. Any US tester with a PEMS kit would expose them, which is why Virginia Tech, ICCT, the EPA, DoJ, Uncle Tom Cobley, won't go near it.

    It doesn't matter, Baron, as a $66k, slow, two and a quarter ton 'sports SUV', with fuel mileage similar to the 2-litre ~250hp petrols from the Germans and the new Alfa, is the **** in the punch bowl, and will just be a curio for car geeks, but not buyers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BMVIrep View Post
    Let's be logical, if it was just a matter of 'extra', for the US market, to meet EPA regs, why hasn't JLR done that to European vehicles since the disastrous real driving results of the German transport ministry tests in early 2016?
    Errr....because they are not required to. Because it costs more money. Because Europeans never cared about diesel pollution until it was publicized by an American rural university student.
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    No doubt supplied with a whopping discount


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    DVLA INFORMATION:


    • Vehicle make: JAGUAR
    • Date of first registration: December 2016
    • Year of manufacture: 2016
    • Cylinder capacity (cc): 2993 cc
    • CO₂Emissions: 159 g/km
    • Fuel type: DIESEL
    • Export marker: No
    • Vehicle status: Tax not due
    • Vehicle colour: WHITE
    • Vehicle type approval: M1
    • Wheelplan: 2 AXLE RIGID BODY

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    Quote Originally Posted by pekem View Post
    No doubt supplied with a whopping discount
    think I saw the very same vehicle back around April this year. Suspect it's a demonstrator from JLR, gratis to UK Plod, as there appears to be no individual Force markings on it, just generic blue-yellow etc., and the 'OE' plate suggests it's registered to/by JLR, and not 'BX' for Birmingham say.

    Besides, which supposedly cash-strapped local authority is going to sign off on their Plod buying even a 40%-discounted V6 diesel F-Pace for £35k?, when the Met for example can get 5-Series Tourings or X5s for similar, and they're not thrown together in Solihull?

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    Isn't that the first police Jaguar since the seventies or something like that? Apart from the one belonging to Superintendent Mullet in the television series "A Touch of Frost". Oh, and Barnaby also drove an X-Type for a while in "Midsomer Murders". The Mk. 2 belonging to Inspector Morse is much older.
    As you can see, my knowledge of the UK mainly comes from watching television series like these. Not to mention Fawlty Towers, Keeping up Appearances, Monty Python, Not the nine o'clock news and so on. I normally get quite disappointed, when I visit the UK. The hotel staff is very ordinary compared to Mr. Fawlty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muenster View Post
    Isn't that the first police Jaguar since the seventies or something like that? Apart from the one belonging to Superintendent Mullet in the television series "A Touch of Frost". Oh, and Barnaby also drove an X-Type for a while in "Midsomer Murders". The Mk. 2 belonging to Inspector Morse is much older.
    As you can see, my knowledge of the UK mainly comes from watching television series like these. Not to mention Fawlty Towers, Keeping up Appearances, Monty Python, Not the nine o'clock news and so on. I normally get quite disappointed, when I visit the UK. The hotel staff is very ordinary compared to Mr. Fawlty.
    XF has been a Police car for a long time

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMVIrep View Post

    .....Besides, which supposedly cash-strapped local authority is going to sign off on their Plod buying even a 40%-discounted V6 diesel F-Pace for £35k?, when the Met for example can get 5-Series Tourings or X5s for similar, and they're not thrown together in Solihull?
    Its about time tax payer funded bodies such as the police were required to buy cars and other good made in this country where available, supporting local industry etc. The German police generally drive home produced cars as do the French and Italians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bink View Post
    .....Besides, which supposedly cash-strapped local authority is going to sign off on their Plod buying even a 40%-discounted V6 diesel F-Pace for £35k?, when the Met for example can get 5-Series Tourings or X5s for similar, and they're not thrown together in Solihull?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bink View Post
    Its about time tax payer funded bodies such as the police were required to buy cars and other good made in this country where available, supporting local industry etc. The German police generally drive home produced cars as do the French and Italians.
    The difficultly with that is that BMW is supporting many thousands of jobs in the UK. Metropolitan Police are running many BMWs including the i3 electric. No doubt the next round of purchases will be for the 5 and 3 series Hybrids because they need to acknowledge the efforts being made by their boss, Sadiq Khan to clean up the air.

    Jaguar doesn’t have the right cars at present.

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    But if the present cars are petrol or diesel rather than electric or hybrid they could have been a home manufactured product rather than an import couldn't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bink View Post
    But if the present cars are petrol or diesel rather than electric or hybrid they could have been a home manufactured product rather than an import couldn't they?
    Might just be politics.
    Those jobs at Hams Hall Birmingham (engine factory) Goodwood(Rolls Royce) and Oxford (Mini) are important to any government.

 

 

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