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#1 ·
Different car/ market I know but given the present plight of diesel cars, which in the U.K. the F-Pace is , and the high level of interest in Hybrids I wonder if the Outlander will steal a march on Jaguar.
Diesel is bad news and the I-Pace will be expensive.

Best selling PHEV in Europe must be worth a few diesel F-Paces ?

Mitsubishi delivers 635 Outlander PHEVs to Ukranian police

Posted June 8, 2017 by Charles Morris




Mitsubishi has delivered 635 Outlander PHEV vehicles to the National Police of Ukraine, an order resulting from an emissions trading agreement called the Green Investment Scheme.

This is the second time MMC has supplied vehicles under the Green Investment Scheme – in 2011, it delivered 507 i‐MiEVs to the government of Estonia.




Since its launch in 2013, the Outlander PHEV has recorded cumulative sales of 80,768 units (as of the end of 2016), and has been the best-selling PHEV in Europe for four years in a row.

At the delivery ceremony, MMC President Osamu Masuko said, “I would like to thank the Ukrainian government for evaluating our Outlander PHEV highly and deciding that it is the right option for the country’s police force.

The Outlander PHEV is not only environmentally friendly but also contains our latest technologies such as our advanced 4-wheel-drive system Super All-Wheel Control, which makes it highly suitable for police use.”
 
#3,168 ·
I can't think, at all, why this is not being reported by, in the UK media:

Vier gemeinsame E-Autos geplant: AMG und Aston Martin rücken noch enger zusammen


'Jesmb.de' has the (non-paywalled) details:

'AMG und Aston Martin bauen entwickeln gemeinsame Elektroauto Plattform

Daneben soll AMG mit Aston Martin zusammen 4 Elektroautos auf den Markt bringen.
Der erste davon ist dann ein ganz neuer AMG GT Coupé (obwohl dieser im Jahr 2022 neu erscheint) wird es wohl 2025 einen elektrischen GT Coupé geben. Er wird bei Aston Martin als Vanquish erscheinen.

2026 wird AMG dann einen rein elektrischen Mercedes SL präsentieren. Er der neue Mercedes SL wird im Herbst 2021 (R232) präsentiert und erhält ebenfalls den AMG P3-Plug-in-Hybrid „E Performance“ Antrieb. Der elektrische SL wird bei Aston Martin mit eigenem Design dann als DB11 Nachfolger gebaut. Somit wird bei AMG diese neue Elektro-Plattform entwickelt und dann an Aston Martin weitergegeben.
Der in 2022 neue SL (R232) sowie AMG GT wird einige Jahre parallel zu den dann ab 2025 neuen rein elektrischen Derivaten produziert.
Die AMG und Aston Martin eigene Plattform, hat nichts mit den Daimler Baukästen EVA2 oder MMA zu tun. Magna wird hier AMG bei der Entwicklung unterstützen. AMG will hier die elektrischen Porsche Derivate ins Visier nehmen.'

That means the de facto "Partnership" of Aston Martin(-Lagonda) with Daimler(under AMG's wing) - i.e., the last of the UK '(genuinely)Premium Triumvirate' has fallen to the Germans - Bentley - VAG; Rolls-Royce - BMW, AML - Daimler.

That's why Tobias Moers 'moved' from (Daimler)AMG to Aston - he was being shuffled into a new, key job.

Just 48 hours before 'The Biggest Thing Evah!' - the fixed from months/years before 'Football's Coming Home' - England were almost certainly meant to win World Cup 2018, by the way - but were too crap to make that too obvious to even the thickest - must not be blighted by thoughts of anything real - keep the plebs distracted to the max, and believing twnety-six multi-millionaires have any bearing on their subsistence-level lives.

Telling them that James Bond's, 007's car is now German, might lead to more green lasers, more spitting on opposing fans, mass booing of anthems, as well as middle aged men attacking kids with 'the wrong flag'.

But then UK regimes have always used pea-brain moron thugs, many now fully fledged 'middle class', 'educated' by the way, to run from real country-internal problems, by directing hate and knowing, fomented violence at the right type of foreigner, and starting wars - 'We'll fight them on the beaches' - UK declared war on Germany - Thatcher's regime deliberately withdrawing HMS Endurance antarctic survey ship as a trap for the Argies, that invading the Falklands might/would be unopposed, 9/11 to invade Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

Let's just concentrate on a game for kids, wave those plastic, Chinese-made flags, drink that Dutch/Danish lager, and revel in 'Forever England', '2 world wars, 1 world cup', 1066, 1,000 years of never being invaded' - but F all (real) work to do on Monday.
 
#3,169 ·
That AMG/Aston Martin EV article is interesting... but as there is just one non official source for it, it remains to be seen if this is really true.

In theory it makes sense: A unique EV platform for AMG, resulting in a range of Porsche competing models for them and Aston Martin.

Basically, the same market segment Bollore seems to have in mind for Jaguar... doubts are allowed that this will end well.
 
#3,170 ·
That AMG/Aston Martin EV article is interesting... but as there is just one non official source for it, it remains to be seen if this is really true.
- of course it's true - it's not in the UK/US media.

'AMG' - 'Aston Martin Gobbled'.

This has been in the planning/works for years. The fake, fraudulent, Palmer IPO thing was probably ro get the decks cleared, allow (fronting)Stroll - Mercedes - to take (full) control.

Once Palmer and the dregs of the old regime were gone, Moers was 'announced' as a 'surprise' 'move' to Aston.

Daimler/Mercedes always felt left out, coming up short against BMW and VAG, for the last 20+ years, not having a trophy, a British storied marque.

Aston was and is a basketcase, but a very useful shell, just like Rolls and Bentley were - bombed out marques - VW and BMW had to rebuild them from scratch.

Aston will be part of AMG-Maybach-'G'. It will allow Mercedes to charge top-end Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo prices, for Mercedes-platform cars - just like VAG does with the Urus, high-end Cayenne, etc

The next 5-10 years will be all about the 1%(0.1% and their flunkeys/lackeys), buying obscene amounts of things, as the whole world reverts to no-holds-barred Victorian turbo 'capitalism' - The Great Reset.

The 1% will want every toy under the sun, and price no object.

10,000 'Astons' - refrocked Merc/AMGs - will fetch more profit than 500,000 C/E-Class-es..

They've done all the modelling, crunched all the spreadsheets, and know that the Middle Class will be blown out.

We're back at least to Edwardian times - coachbuilt, extravagant, enormous in size or power, cars for the very, very rich.

The 'Down/Under-stairs' riff-raff - the 99% - will be told to go whistle - buy an electric scooter, or electric bike - because you won't be going anywhere, anyway - practical range, 10 miles radius.
 
#3,171 ·
Lorry-load deliveries of valium and smelling salts to Gaydon:

'It was the same story at Ineos, with the Grenadier 4x4. The crowd on the stand was five-deep all day; the love for this desirable new utility SUV clear to see.

And another chance to embarrass a paddock full of supercars by attracting more interest and enquiries than all of them put together... '


Funny how Autocar didn't cover this - bet the bogs were full at Haymarket Towers - 'how the F am I going to pay the brats' £40k each school fees?!'

That's not a neo-Defender, that's a long wheelbase G-Wagen - for half the price - with a Santana front end:

50830


- looks brilliant by the way.

The punters can't believe there's so much bang for buck, so much metal for money, and know that this is the greatest flipping opportunity - at least £20k - this side of a new 911 GT3 - hence the 'shut up and take my money' - before the price is hiked next year, to reflect huge demand, and intrinsic value of the product - an XL G-Wagen with a bloody BMW I6.

Cropley and co. must be under suicide watch, or furiously updating their CVs to send to Ratcliffe - '40 years, man and boy, licking arses - anyone's, as long as the price is right - finest licker there is - hire me'.
 
#3,172 ·
Merc EQE launching in just 8 weeks from today:

Weltpremiere feiert der EQE auf der IAA in München im September 2021


- time flies, eh. Just a blink of an eye really till the formal end of the XF, with its joke 'range' of 4-pot Ingenium 'engines', and so the formal end of 'Jaguar', as an entity that might be called a car brand, car company, not a purveyor of a single model, the 5 year old bodged F-Pace 'The Gamechanger', and the end of the pretence that JLR is some kind of pioneer, front-runner, world-beater in the global EV sphere.

Just 8 weeks.

No wonder Autocar has moved its usual propaganda spot, pep talk, forward 24 hours, from the usual Monday - they know the sh!t is now deadly real - school fees payments are on the line - SWMBO is googling good divorce lawyers - doesn't get more seriouis than that for a 'top' British hack.

How JLR boss Thierry Bollore will reinvent Britain's biggest car firm


- another lie, by the way, from the scum Media - JLR is not UK's biggest car firm.

Solihull-Castle Brom-Halewood within-UK JLR production is running currently at the rate of around 150-200k/yr - CB being effectively closed, dead anyway.

Nitra is officially closed - 'Chip shortage'.

Cropley is an incorrigible c..., er, liar.

The more these vermin write reams, paeans of praise to the mighty JLR, the more it's blindingly obvious to the thickesty that there is zilch real news of, anything happening with JLR.

Comical Ali Cropley and co. think they can turn this dire, terminal situation around by the force of their wordsmithing - the breathtaking chutzpah of their lying.

Too late, gimps, That turkey won't fly anymore. The punters queueing up to put deposits down on the Ineos Grenadier, have seen the JLR Emperor is absolutely without clothes, and so too the lickspittle lackey scum that service him.

Go get a job, or F off and retire.
 
#3,173 ·
Once again a very strange Autocar article. A lot of words for something close to I have a dream.

Any attempt to make something useful out of it is a bit useless, but I will try it with two citations:

"Jaguar has already said it will use a single platform shared with a partner for all three of its new models (a move that makes you wonder whether, one day, the donor might want to acquire the whole Jaguar marque) but there’s no news yet about which manufacturer might contribute the all-important underpinnings. Surely an announcement must be coming soon, we suggest. “There’s no question that the clock is ticking,” says Bolloré with another of his smiles."

Before that, they wanted to decide if they develop their own platform or share one with a partner. Maybe that decision is now made, with a sharing/buy in result. But who might fit for that? What they would basically need is something like the AMG/Aston Martin deal (if that turns out to be really true... but that door should be closed for Jaguar anyway, it creates a direct competitor for them).

"Since this reorganisation, we outsiders have heard one or two armchair critics question its ability to create great work, and to suggest that all those Land Rover people working on Jaguars might produce a family of ‘flat Land Rovers’. Snide though it sounds, I put this to Bolloré, who bats away a bit of criticism."

Interesting wording: "we outsiders", " one or two armchair critics", "snide though it sounds", "bats away a bit of criticism".

That they were brave enough to ask at least one critical question must have been a singular event...
 
#3,174 ·
Once again a very strange Autocar article. A lot of words for something close to I have a dream.

Any attempt to make something useful out of it is a bit useless
you mean you missed this, the only thing comment-worthy, so obvious I didn't put it above before, a bombshell, standing out like a hundred foot tall sore thumb, out of the thousand words or so bilge from Comical Ali Cropley?

'Before starting at Gaydon, Bolloré says he already had considerable knowledge of JLR from having tested all of its products on Renault’s behalf, and through visiting JLR’s stands at motor shows because its design progress and its advanced use of materials was always interesting. “JLR was more or less on the market at the time,” he explains.'


- this guy, old Monsieur Slaphead, makes Gerald Ratner - 'an M&S prawn sandwich is worth more than our earrings' - look like businessman of the century.

He's let the cat out of the bag - whilst supposedly being the boss, leader of JLR.

He's confirmed that Tata was hawking JLR around - 'the most valuable thing evah!' - like some tat on eBay or Amazon, back in 2018-19 - as I've said, over, and over, and... .

Tata was desperate to get rid - 'Please buy this 'Jewel in the Crown''.

They, and their Media co-conspirators, parners in crime, literally, tried first to bounce Robert and the Peugeot family into taking this 'asset' off their hands - remember '90% complete, the deal done, just the details remaining'?

Then they, Tata-Media-'Top Analysts', tried to bounce BMW into taking 'the Faberge of the Automotive Industry', with the purchase talk, then "Partnership" bollox - criminal fraud.

Then they tried Geely.

Then the tried Apple.

Then they tried Renault, almost certainly. Ditto Fiat/FCA.

They tried everyone, and anyone.

No one would buy the SH!T - 'the non plus ultra of Luxury Brands, 'Range Rover''.

Now the clown who saw this from the Renault end is laying it out straight while heading the thing that no one would touch with a bargepole - the leper of the global car industry.

Is he touched, or not well, or just terminally thick?

Also, the two clowns, Dumb and Dumber, Cropley and 'editor' Tisshaw, did they not realise the importance of what Monsieur Slpahead said, revealed?

Obviously not, or the subs, or unpaid interns, working probably late Friday, yesterday, more interested in getting lashed, pretending to be interested in the "Footie" - like five yeard old Spaffer, and his carer - wrote this crap up, not an earthly what it meant, just to get it out, for the desperately require, pulled froward, ppep talk headline of 'The Future's Bright, The Future's JLR', for Sunday morning.

Unpaid clowns led by overpaid, over the hill clowns, like Cropley, revealing far more than they should, with not the first idea why - it's just a job mummy and daddy got - 'something in Media, and London' - not the stabby part - they know/are related to Lord/Rupert Heseltine distantly, and went to a good(private) school.

F'ing morons. They don't know what they've done.

JLR hawked around, by the jumped up street hawkers, c'um dope peddlers Tata, and no takers - because most people with eyes can see dog sh!te at twenty paces.
 
#3,175 ·
Entirely unsuited to JLR:

'Is Cropley in the same masonic lodge as Bollore? Rarely have I seen such a sycophantic article about a CEO who was basically fired from his previous role due to spending 40 million euros with his mates at Boston Consulting Group.'

Scratch that - entirely suited to Tata-JLR.

Maybe he'll be headhunted by Spaffer for the NHS top job, or replace Dildo Harding. A man with those qualities is wasted doling out chickenfeed €40m, when he could be handing out £40bn to the UK's 'elites'.

Maybe the Brittany holiday home needs doing up.
 
#3,176 ·
The thing really notable about this - the approaching Q6 E-tron/Porsche Macan-E twins - is not the car - just a now routine, yet another final nail in JLR's coffin - the lid must be enormous just to take them all - but how old the cars in the pictures are:


It's almost as if they were taken in 2010, or even 2005.

The thing is, Germany, Germans, we are always told, are rich, much higher per capita GDP than the UK, Brits, but it's not true, is it.

Brits, the median ones, drive £35-50k+ German cars, several or 'a stable' of, live in £350k-1m+ houses, or several/holiday homes/a 'portoflio of rental properties', take, or used to take, several foreign holidays/breaks a year, binge on takeaways, or go out to restaurants several times a week, etc, etc.

The thing is, it's all on tick - borrowed - 'financed' by that ~'£1m' house, or several buy-to-lets, all predicated on the Ponzi money-printing bubble.

Take that away, and the average Brit, like the Germans in the picture, probably in prosperous Bavaria - Audi's home - would also be driving 10-15 year old, small runabouts, MPVs, etc.

We are so headed for a fall, is my point.

The people who brought you 'The Gamechanger', the most awarded thing ever - literally - also brought you, and still bring you, 'Booming Britain', and 2/3-bed poky terrace, 'villa', hovels supposedly being worth up to £1m+.

These people know that the former, the I-Pace, and UK 's miracle economy, are both huge lies - 'Big Lies'.

They won't be left holding baby when the balloon finally goes up - 'They' switch off the printing press/hike interest rates ' 'suddenly' - all planned - The Great Reset.

The Germans at least make things, sell millions of cars, machine tools etc abroad, to China and so on.

Even if the Euro was inflated away to nothing, by the ECB's money printing, the world would still want their goods.

The only thing we really make is house prices, and The Gamechanger, and the other Stunners - which no one outside of the UK/Home Counties buy.

Take them away - the deliberate collapse of the property bubble - and you have Mad Max, nothing whatsoever to fall back on - certainly not to support almost 80 million mouths to feed - most of the food imported.

What are we going to trade Spain with, for their salads? A millstone Buy-to-Let?

No wonder Spaffer, the whole media, the London/Westminster Bubble - all the tens of thousands of parasites - were praying, even though none of them believe in God, that 'Gareth's Boys' would save their bacon, and likely necks.

They've run out of distractions, and 'world-beating' posterchildren to con the plebs - 'Unifying Football', 'Stunning Success-JLR', 'Booming Britain', 'Diversity is our Strength', etc.

The last resort, with everything now failed, JLR having been hawked around like days-old meat, covered in flies, by the Bombay street peddlers, and house prices, like car prices a few weeks ago, about to do a swan dive, now that the opiums of 'Footie' and Stamp Duty have worn off, is, of course, WAR.

Cue 'Cyber Attack', or even 'Alien Attack' - we're under attack, anyway - 'We must all Unite' - 'Fight them on the Beaches' ... .
 
#3,177 ·
'It's all over... , ...some tapped people are on the turps, they think it's not... , ...it is now':

'Meanwhile, Land Rover intends to launch six new EVs over the next five years, the first of which is due in 2024.'


- black and white, incontrovertible confirmation from the horse's mouth - Autocar-JLR - that JLR is F'ED.

It's over. This geezer will just be topping up the pension before he pushes off to attend to te roses. What the hell does he know about cars, the industry, or EVs? - Dyson's EV vapourware?

What is the world to do while JLR gets it first EV - bodged 2016 F-Paces that don't seel don't count - in 3 years time? Twiddle its thumbs, give JLR a sporting chance? Hold back?

Thers is no 3 years, and no JLR in 2024. That's for the birds, and the braindead, literal handful of headbangers that still read Autocar, and take it at face value.

Bollore knows his sole job is to get JLR IPO'd. Was supposed to happen earlier this year.

By 2021-end, never mind 2-3 years time, JLR will be buried by an avalanche, a tsunami of new EVs - EQS, EQS SUV, EQE, iX, i4, etc, etc, etc.

The G-Class BEV will be out in 12-18 months.

This confirms that even Bosch's top consultant engineers couldn't crash-programme the 'new' Range Rover, 'L460', to its BEV variant, from a standing start, 6-12 months ago, within less than 3 years - they wouldn't want to be legally liable for the deathtrap crap JLR would have no qualms about firing out onto the market, sub-Tesla style.

No BEV Range Rover, no JLR. Simple as.

The 'New Range Rover' has the 25 years old AJ-V8, which means only the Home Counties Ultras will be stupid enough to pay £100-200k for it, and the Bronco and Grenadier will take car of the ICE, genuine 4x4 end of their once business.

Around two-thirds of high-end premium SUV custom will migrate to BEV SUVs immediately - no London Con Charge, Virtue Signalling, etc.

What business JLR had, pre the likes of the EQS SUV, iX, revamped E-tron SUV et al, and the London Con Charge change in October, which kills posh/livery service PHEVs, will be wiped out overnight, never mind 3 years time.

2024. FFS.
 
#3,178 ·
Lots of news this morning - all of the variety 'hundredweights of nails for JLR's coffin':

1. Diess(VAG) is going in for the kill - No EV, you're gonna die - JLR the least EV car maker in the world - 'first Land Rover(/JLR) EV 2024'

'That’s partly because the German carmaker is out in front of most of its competitors when it comes to going electric — a decision it took in 2018. Its rivals' struggles and calls for delay clash with VW's own priorities.'


- far from the death's-door Dieselgate cheat, VW under Diess is back to steamrolling the competition/industry, just as it did from the 'Tdi' juggernaut in the 90s, right up till Dieselgate around 20 years later.

Diess knows he has the competition by the throat, and given what was done to VW/VAG just 5 years ago, compassion, mercy, forebearance is in short supply.

2. the UK media always refers to JLR as 'automotive giant JLR', and 'biggest UK car company', but others see it differently

'ACEA was set up in 1991 to be the voice of the auto industry in the EU capital and unites 15 carmakers, including giants such as Volkswagen, Toyota, Renault and Stellantis, along with smaller players like Jaguar Land Rover and Ferrari.'

- yep, it's a European, never mind global, pipsqueak - and about to get rapidly, markedly, even smaller, more inconsequential - "downsized" in management consultant*Boton Consulting Group?) parlance - see next point

3, Bollore is swinging the axe - he only wants/needs Solihull/Nitra, and SVO - a company making tops 100k cars a year, all in the space of £100-200k+. Halewood and Castlee Brom are roadkill - if CB is made SVO's base, Ryton closed and sold, it will emply max ~250 people - about one-tenth of what it did until around 2019-20 - 'Booming Britain' - second city with next to no real employment, real jobs, for a population around 1.5 million adults

Jaguar Land Rover announces redundancies at Halewood plant


The Evoque and DSport's real sales collapsed 2-3 years ago, with the competition providing huge amounts of better, far cheaper cars.

No one in their right minds buys a £50-60k diesel Evoque/DSport nor the petrol ones doing 20 mpg, nor the up to £60k+PHEV versions, with real-world 10-15 miles EV, and the durabilty of a ming vase being bounced off a hard floor.

The ending of the London Con Charge exemption, where many/most of these PHEVs were sold when they came out last year, has killed their reason to exist off completely - you don't buy them for their fuel economy/huge electrical range.

Another grim, final day for JLR - no wonder the crime gang in London, 'the Westminster Bubble', needed the wax works dummy Southgate to deliver them the mass distraction of a Footie win - 'The Sh!t is Coming Home', to coin a phrase.
 
#3,179 ·
No wonder Diess is so bullish. He holds all the cards, and govts are throwing money at him - the Spanish the latest:


He's pretty much where Henry Ford was in 1913 - the world at his feet.

Ford Motor Company's total domination was knocked off course by that affair in Europe the next year, but unless Spaffer and the gang can plunge UK and Europe into fighing a war with Russia, there's nothing to stop Diess/VAG this time.

The Hyundai-Kia EV thing is not what it was cracked up to be, whereas the VAG ID, MEB, PPE, J1 etc, etc, is the opposite - better in practice, the flesh.

UK is bogged down in 'Culture War ' - another distraction, after Brexit, The Scamdemic, Football etc - while the real country, and economy, get ever closer to a real-life Mad Max happening - 70 million people suddenly, finally realising there's absolutely nothing out there - and 'losing it'.
 
#3,180 ·
Confirmation that the new Range Rover, 'L460', is hideously late/delayed/never gonna happen:

'Mardell said the semiconductor shortage would not have an impact on the launch of a critical new Land Rover model, the Range Rover large SUV, which is set for early 2022.'


It's now at least 12 months late, with early this year the plan.

It's been testing for what seems like forever, at least 2 years in public, which for JLR is unheard of - 'test' your 'All-New' 'Stunner' for a few months in public view, loads of camo etc, build up the drams with the helpful media lackeys, then spit out for idiots to buy the totally undeveloped deathtrap.

The pulling of the BMW V8 in around July-September 2019, delivered it a fatal blow, from which it has truthfully never recovered.

This 'delay' is really about treading water, panicking behind the scenes, pretending it's still real, still happening, still being tested, JLR still being afloat, when actually 'New Range Rover' is dead.

No BMW V8, no point in a Range Rover - Full-fat or the sister car Sport.

Without the BMW V8's real 700hp, rhese cars are literal sitting ducks, to be taken out by half to as little as one-third the price cars from the competition - a new Golf R would make mincemeat out of a Range Rover Sport SVR, with its real ~450hp from its ancient AJ-V8.

Even JLR wouldn't launch the new Range Rover with this old engine, knwowing that it will drop dead in a couple of years, with Euro 7, as even the thickest, most patriotic Ultra would come after them with a pitchfork.

So there is no 2022 New Range Rover - nor 2022/3 New Range Rover Sport.

All there is is a need to keep the show on the road, pretend, lie, deceive, in the knowledge that the only viable 'New' Range Rover/Sport is the BEV version, that is at least 3 years away, and that tha's academic, irrelevant anyway, as 'JLR' is just about getting to an IPO, before any of this matters.

Mardell himself hints at this with tis statement:

'Nonetheless, future supply of the high-margin model could be affected by semiconductor issues, he said. Chip supply next year “will determine the level of production we have on the new Range Rover,” Mardell said.'

- in other words, this is his get-out, his cop out, when early 2022 the New Range Rover still doesn't appear - 'Chip Shortage' - not that it was effectively pulled, dead, way back in late 2019, when its BMW engine supply went up in smoke.

Mardell knows 'New Range Rover' is just a moving Potemkin, to put a facade on JLR, that it's still alive, about to release a world-beating stunner, within 12 months anyway, so that the imminent - hoped for - IPO doesn't collapse, implode, once even the thick/paid off analysts realise that the core product, only money spinner - Full-fat/Sport - is dead..
 
#3,181 ·
Should be a huge story - bigger than that Footie and Scamdemic rubbish - the massively delayed/cancelled New Range(&Sport):

'New 2021 Range Rover spotted with BMW V8 engine

Fifth-generation Land Rover flagship is seen testing with 4.4-litre petrol V8, tipped to be from BMW as part of new tie-up

by Rachel Burgess

6 August 2019'


- almost 2 years ago - JLR doesn't test cars for 2 years - 2 months, maybe.

Besides the obvious - the headline says 'New 2021 Range Rover' - not happening - it also is saying almost certainly that it had the BMW V8.

This isn't a delay - why would desperate JLR delay by at least 12 months its most crucial, life-dependent product - it's a cancellation. The New Range Rover - and 99% same-Sport - is dead.

Because, probably at almost exactly the same time this bunkum was written by Autocar, Speth was getting an urgent communication from an underling holding the fort, with Speth off on his luxo hols, that BMW had told them, JLR HQ, that the contract for the supply of the BMW V8, 'Project Jennifer' was terminated - force majeure, due to the impending Euro 7 regs., meaning BMW would not be pursuing the V8's development, or replacement, any longer - on the orders of the new CEO, Oliver Zipse.

Now, almost 2 years on, JLR has the huge problem of pretending New Range Rover is still alive, a thing, just delayed - a lot - but definitely ongoing.


Imagine if the press, the world found out that New Range Rover was dead - i.e., the end of Range Rover.

Imagine Porsche having to tell the world that the 911 was dead.

The car that was/is displayed in the Louvre - Range Rover.

That would be enough to bring down a regime - like the ravens leaving the Tower.

Never mind Her Maj kicking the bucket, the end of the Range Rover, and espeically for the reason why - having to go cap in hand to the Germans, for an engine, which they then reneged on suppying - would break the spirit, morale, purpose of the nation.

Wow.
 
#3,185 ·
Apparently Henry Ford could do handstands in his seventies - fit as a flea, workaholic... .

Diess is not far behind, in age, and energy and ambition - put VW/VW group back to where it was 10 years ago, and back 40/50 years ago in the US/N.America - the only global region where it has no real success or imprint at the moment:

VW Group U.S. market share could be 10% by 2030 because of EVs, Diess says

Automaker will design and make its own batteries, roll out a Level 4 autonomous vehicle in 2026 and beat Tesla at its own game.


- you know by this he means trounce the Tesla fraud thing, fully, within a couple/three years, and have 15-20% share of the US/N.Amercia market across the group within five or so years - as not only all its EV cars are rolled out of MEB, PPE etc - but also many competitors go bankrupt, or amalgamate to try to survive, or are exposed formally as criminal enterprises - Tesla, and Tata-JLR, if it still exists.

Diess grows more bold, more revealing of what he and VAG are really up to, have long planned, by the day now - nothing to hide, nothing to fear, so show everyone what you've really got, and scare the bejesus out of them.
 
#3,186 ·
That VW decided years ago to make massive EV investments was a great move. The figures are impressive, two years ago the known investments over the next years they were (in billion US$):

Volkswagen 91

compared to single countries:

China 57
U.S. 39
Japan 24

On the second manufacturer place:

Daimler 42

Those massive investments are now showing a lot of results. About half of the worldwide EV investments are made by German manufacturers.
 
#3,188 ·
Croppers comes a cropper:


Either the sauce has loosened the tongue too much, or he's demob happy - knows it's all over - not a single mention of his beloved JLR crowbarred into everyone else's news.
 
#3,189 ·
Thick or lying?:

'A third of all cars produced in the UK are produced in the West Midlands by companies including Aston Martin, BMW and Jaguar Land Rover.'

- since when was Cowley/Oxford/Oxfordshire in the western part of the centre of England?:


The desperate vermin must know this.

West Midlands county/region is responsible for about one-eighth to one-tenth of UK-produced cars currently - Castle Brom closed, Solihull operating at about 100k/yr running rate, and Aston at Gaydon producing less than 5k/yr - its main factory obviously in Wales for the DBX.

This Coventry airport gigafactory thing is just cover for a desperate mayor Street and other WM bureaucrats/parasites, who see their gravytrain disappearing down the plughole, as JLR gets ever nearer to having to admit it's publically bust.

What would it do with these Coventry-made 'manufactured', cough, final-assembled, batteries? It has no need for mass battery supply until 2024 at the earliest? - it'll be long pushing up daisies before then.

Street and Whitehall, MPs like Julian Knight of Solihull, know that JLR is about to finally, formally keel over, and this is just a last ditch attempt to funnel, shove money into it, from a completely bust and empty public exchequer.

I imagine the likes of Sunak are dead against it - obviously fatboy Spaffer all for it - he's on the way out, doesn't give a damn.

Spaffer is already yesterday's man, and Sunak in the ascendant, so Whitehall will pay attention to him, not the England flag-bedecked clown.

As I've said, it doesn't matter, even if Street and co. use this gigafactory for cover for giving 'JLR' - Tata - up to £5bn of public money - an emergency transfusion.

JLR needs tens of £billions, and can't buy time anyway.

It's time that's killed it. Everyone, besides Tesla, was making new product, especially EVs, since Dieselgate, 5/6 years ago, but JLR's sole focus was getting sold - first as a trade sale, then all eyes, efforts and energy on an IPO.

There was no car company at JLR since at least 2016. Now, it's all caught up with them - no EVs, no engines, no new product - the refrocked Disco5, 'Icon', is 2 years old in a couple of months.

Bollore was brought in to do one thing - IPO JLR. He failed. The target, plan was Q1, April at the latest, for it.

Now he's trying to run a car company - by slashing and burning everything that doesn't make a profit - 90% at least of the company.

That just leaves Full-fat/Sport, Icon, and SVO, as I've said.

But Full-fat/Sport is/are as old as the hills, and 'powered' in the money-spinning 'top' versions by a 25 years old, emissions regs.-extinct engine.

The pulling of the BMW V8 was the thing that actually capsized, finally did for JLR.

No new Range Rover/Sport, no point in JLR.
 
#3,190 ·
Hmm, familiar:

'Development of that 3.0-litre motor, which was set to exceed the 715bhp output of even the DBS Superleggera's V12, was axed soon after Moers took over because, he said, it would not have been Euro 7 compliant and "would have taken another huge investment that was really too big to bring to life".'


- exactly what incoming, new BMW boss Oliver Zipse did, probably almost to the day 2 years ago, with then 'next gen' highly developed or wholly new V8 replacement of the 2009 V8 - because it would not have been Euro 7, and the take of the V8 at BMW was even then forecast to drop/fall of a cliff, once people realised the new 'S58' I6, with hybridisation, was quicker, and of course had a fraction of the CO2 - officially - for the all-important fleet average, and avoiding fines, something like ~50g versus ~300g/100 km for the then decade-old V8.

Lucky for Aston Martin, Mercedes/AMG/Daimler rode to the rescue - Aston would have gone fully and finally bump without Daimler's de facto takeover - Daimler gets huge profit margin cars in return, with Merc-AMG off the shelf powertrains, or EV platforms.

There's no Daimler for JLR. That's the difference.

If JLR can slim down to ~50k cars a year, with 'Range Rover' badging - and that's all - a buyer might be interested, selling ~£250k to £1m+ cars - specials, 'one-offs', commission cars etc.

JLR is about 200k cars a year, and ~25,000 direct workers from that - and up to ten times that to go bump, go down the road, in the supply and distribution bases.

That's JLR's and UK's only choice - that or JLR failing completely - no one will buy it, go near it in its present state and configuration.
 
#3,191 ·
#3,193 ·
Obviously Dan Tosser doesn't bother to read his employer's own material:

'In the coming months[2021], Land Rover will reveal the fifth-generation Range Rover.

With the new model's powertrains (including BMW's 4.4-litre twin-turbo V8 to replace the supercharged 5.0 'AJ' unit, which is expected to be culled when the Euro 7 emissions regulations are introduced)'


Mardell, the CFO of the company Tosser effectively works for - JLR's PR contractor Haymarket - said something a tad different, very recently:

'Mardell said the semiconductor shortage would not have an impact on the launch of a critical new Land Rover model, the Range Rover large SUV, which is set for early 2022.



- who to believe, Tosser or the CFO of the firm making this delayed/cancelled 'Stunner'?

Tosser knows 'L460' is massively delayed, as I've explained in this thread, and may well be cancelled totally, due to the pulling of the BMW V8 2 years ago - you can't launch a car, costing up to £200k, that will have a shelf life not much longer than a pint of milk - even the lowlifes at JLR wouldn't do that - the Ultras would come after them for a literal pound of flesh.

Tosser has been sent out to do damage limitation - actually the piece is about whipping up interest in no doubt great stocks of rapidly aging near-£200k Autobiographys and the like, with the line: 'get these classics while you can, new model about to be introduced'.

Maybe Tosser is Cropley's replacement as JLR's Comical Ali.
 
#3,194 ·
Ratcliffe, the council house man, is parking his tank all over the blue bloods' lawns:

'Rode in one of the two test mules yesterday at Glanusk. Overwhelmingly positive experience. To summarise, if it sells for the supposed sub-£50k will be bargain of all time in car world.'


- just as I said many times here already - which is why JLR/Haymarket have their crack shills all over the Grenadier thread - saying it's a complete waste of time, total flop, 'Get an Icon', etc, etc - they know it means the end of JLR - LR - if they can't suffocate it at birth.

The 'blue blood's love a shekel, and the Legge-Bourkes will have been hansomely paid by Ineos for the use of their 20,000 acre estate.

'Legge-Bourke' ring a bell?:

'Shân Legge-Bourke, Lord Lieutenant of Powys and a lady-in-waiting to The Princess Royal, is the (present) owner of the Glanusk estate.[9] She is the daughter of Wilfred Bailey who was the third Baron Glanusk. Her daughter Tiggy Legge-Bourke, nanny to Prince William and his brother Prince Harry, grew up at Glanusk and still lives on the estate.'


So putting the Grenadier on Glanusk's lawns is like spitting in the eye of top Tata salesman, Charles Mountatten-Windsor.

- live by the shekel - paying 'HRH' Charlie to promote a foreign-owned company's wares, and 'celebs' like Giles Coren to say his Gamechanger has been stolen every five minutes - die by the sword - get outspent by a council house boy, whose ambition is to spite the 'establishment' that spat in his eye - wouldn't sell him the Defender's tooling.
 
#3,195 ·
Perhaps we need to 'Fight them on the Beaches' - of Bombay:

Brit workers battle to save historic factory that built Spitfires during the war


'Maguire' - good, patriotic English name that - like all hacks, doesn't know his ar$e from his elbow, confusing the GKN factory with the 'Spitfire factory' down the Chester Road - JLR Castle Brom.

GKN/Hardy Spicer's Chester Road would have been hard pushed to be making Spitfires - 'wot won the war' - when it opened ten years after the end of it.

Juat another day in La-la land.
 
#3,196 ·
While the BEV version of the 'New' Range Rover is at least 3 years away, Mercedes will show a 'concept' of the BEV G-Class, 'EQG', in a few weeks in Munich, with the production car likely in around 12 months from now:

 
#3,197 ·
The EQG will be another direct hit. But as the comments from that article say too, the G-Class has a very long waiting list. About two years, hard to imagine, that there is a mentionable capacity for the BEV version left. The S-Class production will receive a third shift soon, maybe they can do that for the EQG too.
 
#3,198 ·
In a half-sane country, the towel would be thrown in. Porsche making a mockery of 'Stunning Success JLR', with the still huge-selling - over 100k/yr - 2008 Audi Q5 - sorry, '2022 Porsche Macan':

50831


Almost as old as JLR's 2006 Freelander - Evoque/DSport/E-Pace - but genuinely outselling them combined by 2:1, with huge profit margins - average new Macan sells for around £65-70k.

People are that daft, though. They've stopped buying ~£60k Ingenium 4-pot 2006 Freelandrs, but appreciate ancient Audis that have been developed, and developed, ...and developed, and of cours have rock-hard residuals - typically 90% after even up to 2 years.

The Evoque thing was a one-off - fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice... , hence why the Evoque collasped from around 2015, when idiots realised the crap they had bought.

5-6 years of treading air, with Porsche now mercilessly landing blow after blow - the Macan E around just 12 months away.
 
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